SE, Please fix this FC exploit

[HeroSamson]

This analogy works for personal housing, because it's personal house. FC housing meant to be shared, and sometime members contribute to buy land.
Do you pay your members to clean FC house? Probably not
Do you have to invite people to FC to give them access to FC house? No

Who's ever FC you are in I would consider kicking you out, simply because you sound like you would take stuff that isn't yours, if I stuck 1mil gil into the FC bank and said don't touch it, it doesn't give you a right to take 1 gil or any gil, doesn't matter if you have access, if you didn't contribute it ain't yours to touch plain and simple, unless you did something good to deserve it.

[Lumia]

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I'm not sure you understand what an analogy is.

Think of it like working at a retail job as a cashier. Your job is to take the money from the customer and put it in the drawer. This is a simple action. You are given responsibility over money, it isn't yours to keep, you aren't allowed to take it home with you, etc. It belongs to the store. The free company bank is much the same as this. The person was allowed to deposit gil, but not take any "home" with him. Now, think of this person's rank as being similar to a shift leader at a store. He is allowed to lead a team within the store, but he has no managerial capabilities beyond that. But then, the team leader decides to hire his buddy and promote him to assistant manager who then has complete access to the safe. This is what happened in my free company.

[Traek]

However, even with that said, we understand the request for adjustments and the team will be looking carefully into how best to move forward.

Bayohne, what is the status on this? I am honestly rather disappointed nothing has been done about the rank privileges by now. I don't know of any player who thinks the ability to promote above their own rank is a good idea, and it leads to huge abuse potential. Please make this FC QoL adjustment so FCs don't have to be so incredibly stringent in their ranking/privileges, just to guard from this 'potential' of abuse.

If the devs are worried about stunting *legitimate* practices, then please give the FC leader the option to turn off this ability per rank. I.E., FC Leader can set Co-Leader to current unrestricted promotion privileges, but also set Officers to promotion privileges up to their rank only. More options and customization just makes everyone happy, by letting us choose our structure.

[Rowyne]

It is difficult to create a system that is both flexible for users and that can safeguard against any number of situations. Limiting the use of the ability to promote could have negative implications for users that are using the feature legitimately (for example, if a leader has left, and a new one needs to be appointed), so we have to be mindful of that before making changes.

However, even with that said, we understand the request for adjustments and the team will be looking carefully into how best to move forward.

Now there is auto-promote if a leader doesn't log in for a certain amount of time, so there will never be a situation where a FC is leader-less.

If you can promote above your own rank, that theoretically means you could promote your friend above you, then your friend could turn around and promote you, also. Next thing you know, everyone is promoted and has access to things they aren't meant to.

It's really time to revisit this.

[Canadane]

If you can promote above your own rank, that theoretically means you could promote your friend above you, then your friend could turn around and promote you, also. Next thing you know, everyone is promoted and has access to things they aren't meant to.

It's really time to revisit this.

There's only two ranks.
Leader and member. You can assign a sub-group of members to have promote powers who can give people up to and exceeding their own number in the list, but you can never promote someone to the leader. So saying you can promote someone above you isn't exactly true.

What would be nice to see is if the rank hierarchy would be taken into account for rank promotion/demotion and you cannot exceed past your rank, or perhaps one below. But it's been a couple years now including an expansion and nothings come of it, so I doubt we'll see anything soon.

[Rowyne]

There's only two ranks.
Leader and member. You can assign a sub-group of members to have promote powers who can give people up to and exceeding their own number in the list, but you can never promote someone to the leader. So saying you can promote someone above you isn't exactly true.

What would be nice to see is if the rank hierarchy would be taken into account for rank promotion/demotion and you cannot exceed past your rank, or perhaps one below. But it's been a couple years now including an expansion and nothings come of it, so I doubt we'll see anything soon.

I think that's what we're talking about here. The fact that many FCs create additional tiers of officers or sub-groups, and that it's still possible to promote someone to a rank higher than yourself because those ranks have been created.

I wasn't suggesting that anyone (who isn't already the FC master) could promote someone to master.

[HulveinBlitz]

What would be nice to see is if the rank hierarchy would be taken into account for rank promotion/demotion and you cannot exceed past your rank, or perhaps one below. But it's been a couple years now including an expansion and nothings come of it, so I doubt we'll see anything soon.

This. Period. Why even place a hierarchy, then allow people to promote above their rank in said structure?

It was a complete oversight. It should have been fixed long ago. It has nothing to do with inactive leaders being swapped, that's cool, whatever. However, you should never be able to PUSH yourself into another rank above you. Again, as mentioned.. its been ages.

[whiskeybravo]

Wow that sucks, and definitely smells fishy.. We've tried to make it very clear to our members who recruit to talk to people and make sure they aren't RMT/Bots, so far I think we've been OK. I hope SE can help you guys out, that's a decent amount of time and effort that just got flushed down the toilet.

[Lafier]

Or, take a bite out of WoW and when the leader of a FC hasn't logged in for some set amount of days, give people that HAVE logged into the FC the ability to promote themselves to leader instead of the person that hasn't logged in for ages.

Edit: Just seen the link to the plans, and I gotta say. Looks nice enough for me.

[JayCommon]

Ouch

Really sorry OP....

And people called me 'stingy' for holding House donations in one of my retainers......

I update the collected House Fund money into our FC topic on the board, and throw the money in the FC chest once a week so any/everyone in the FC can see that the total matches what I claim. Put gil in, immediately take out, Gil shows in the History for quite a while. I had no idea about being able to promote higher than your rank, but in the early days of the game I had a lot of those shady people try to infiltrate our FC and steal contents from Company Chest. They would mad-dash for the chest, see they couldn't take anything then insta-drop FC. This happened enough times for me and the other 10-15 real close friends of our FC to agree upon my secondary retainer just being the Place-holder for our House Fund. Seeing as how I have donated over half the fund myself, it was an obvious choice, and one that was agreed upon amongst the higher ranked players in our FC. People can donate gil into the Chest or by mailing to me, and we have had no problems.

Until the obvious flaws you have commented on have been addressed/fixed, I suggest y'all think hard about this way of donation. It's not the cleanest, or most friendly option....but you would still have your money....

Once again, sorry to hear this happened to your FC and I truly hope it can all be resolved for you.