SE, Please fix this FC exploit

[Nekodar]

Person without rights to promote should NOT be able to promote. EVER.

I was under the impression that it was persons WITH rights to promote, that could promote above their own rang that is the problem.

[Tupsi]

I was under the impression that it was persons WITH rights to promote, that could promote above their own rang that is the problem.

This - Technically people asked for this.

"What if the leader goes awol and we can't promote anyone to power?"

Of course not as open but in general, this system was requested.

[Jonjon]

SE really should return your items and money. There is no one to blame but the person who took it. There is no blame on the FC that gave the guy the permissions to promote.

It is only fair one would assume that someone could not promote above their rank. I have known about this for a while. Promotion and demotion work both ways.

As long as I have promotion/demotion privs I can promote or demote anyone from any rank to any rank except master. The game does not let you promote yourself, but you can demote yourself strangely enough, I did that before I quit the game. I still lurk the forums, they are a never ending source of amusement when I am bored.
Master can only be assigned to a new person by the existing master.

To the FCs:
To make it clear.
Someone with promote/demote privs can promote/demote anyone to any rank except Master.
If the master leaves before passing on the rank, it is currently forever locked to that character.
They can demote themselves.
Master can only be assigned by the current master. There can be only one.

[Raikki]

It is difficult to create a system that is both flexible for users and that can safeguard against any number of situations. Limiting the use of the ability to promote could have negative implications for users that are using the feature legitimately (for example, if a leader has left, and a new one needs to be appointed), so we have to be mindful of that before making changes.

I don't get the problem with not allowing someone to promote above their own rank in the FC. I believe I understand the edge case you're describing: someone with promote/demote privileges could promote the future leader to rank #2, then demote everyone else of rank #2 including themselves to rank #3 or below. Even so, you don't need the ability to promote above your own rank to do that.

Of course, that also leaves the potential for abuse where someone decides to take over the FC against others' wishes and demotes all the other officers. I really don't think permitting this use case is even necessary at all to allow FC inheritance to function smoothly.

[Metabug]

I was under the impression that it was persons WITH rights to promote, that could promote above their own rang that is the problem.

soz for misunderstading. It should be read as "without rights to promote above self"

[Volsung]

Greetings,

First let me apologize for the frustration that this situation has caused.

It is difficult to create a system that is both flexible for users and that can safeguard against any number of situations. Limiting the use of the ability to promote could have negative implications for users that are using the feature legitimately (for example, if a leader has left, and a new one needs to be appointed), so we have to be mindful of that before making changes.

However, even with that said, we understand the request for adjustments and the team will be looking carefully into how best to move forward.

Bay, the answer is simple. Make two checkboxes instead of one.

"All promotions"
"only able to promote to same rank"

Let them know its been solved. xD

[Norna]

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How about after a month without any activity from leader, the members of the FC will be given a choice whether or not they want to be leader. If yes, their names appear on a list and for the next week, the entire FC can vote on the one they want (if only one picks yes, everyone will be asked if they agree on that person instead, to prevent any takeovers due to inactivity. If 50% of the answers agree, the person will be leader after a week. If not, everything remains as is, but members can bring up the vote again, once every 24 hours). Otherwise, no one is able to promote beyond their own rank.

If people want a new leader because a leader is misusing their rank, I think it should count as harassment, and S-E should, if there is cause, suspend the leader's account and immediately instigate the vote.

Leaders should, of course, be able to step down if they want to, and to promote a replacement if available. Otherwise it's voting time again.

[Lithera]

How about after a month without any activity from leader, the members of the FC will be given a choice whether or not they want to be leader. .

A system they're implementing for this is detailed HERE

[Orophin]

It is difficult to create a system that is both flexible for users and that can safeguard against any number of situations. Limiting the use of the ability to promote could have negative implications for users that are using the feature legitimately (for example, if a leader has left, and a new one needs to be appointed), so we have to be mindful of that before making changes.

I think it should be common sense that within any kind of hierarchy that you shouldn't be able to promote to a rank higher than yours. That's like a 1 star General in the military promoting a Colonel to a 2 star general.

[ReplicaX]

I think it should be common sense that within any kind of hierarchy that you shouldn't be able to promote to a rank higher than yours. That's like a 1 star General in the military promoting a Colonel to a 2 star general.

It also destroys the whole purpose of making custom permissions in a hierarchy. Even more so for larger FC's that want more organization within ranks.

Promote is now no longer an option to give to anyone but the leader of a FC.