Need some help setting up Monk macross!!!

[Burritoboy]

The only person that was any help was Noctis and I have made changes accordingly. Noctis could actualy explain why the rest of everyone else is quick to call someone but can't reinforce the reason why its bad. So what I am saying is Thank You Noctis and everyone else please take classes on helping someone. The point of this thread is to assist the OP and anyone who might be interested in what Macros you can use and what macros will hinder you. Everyone complains how bad the player base is but only 1 out of 50 take the time to give solutions instead of calling people out.

[NoctisUmbra]

Unless something has changed since I tried to use macros for MNK at launch the /wait rounds up. And that is a huge DPS loss. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say all macros for all jobs suck but for MNK it does.

This is where you've got the wrong idea. Macros that involve using the /wait command, or attempting to make use of multiple GCDs in any way are a significant DPS loss and would fall under the scope of "entirely poorly written".They are massive crutches, do not help one get better at their job at all, and as you clearly pointed out they come at a heavy cost to one's DPS.

The macros in question are macros that attempt to put multiple Off-GCD skills or buffs together, or take advantage of the priority order in a macro to combine 2nd or 3rd form skills such as Snap Punch and True Strike together into a single button - button saver macros.

While still being bad, they aren't make or break.

[Mailstrum]

I just want to point out, since I see posts that like to indicate successful clears of specific content with the use of macros as endorsement for their viability, that unless the macro in question is particularly poorly made it is quite possible to clear anything using it.

The point isn't that macros will prevent you from performing adequately. Adequate performance isn't really a high standard. The point is that using macros will prevent you from performing at your best. I strongly suggest any MNKs utilizing macros for their skills quickly outgrow them.
Like training wheels, they are good for streamlining the learning process and letting you get started without being intimidated by all the things you need to juggle, but you're never going to reach your top performance with them on.

i dont know if adequate performance.... the macro plays out exactly how i would play manualy but with less buttons to have to press.. I am top damage in our party on most of the fights as monk using these macros, and i only say we have had turn 5 on farm for a while to show that i'm not just using these to do lower teir content. I used these macros in progression and never had issues and performed really well.

This is where you've got the wrong idea. Macros that involve using the /wait command, or attempting to make use of multiple GCDs in any way are a significant DPS loss and would fall under the scope of "entirely poorly written".They are massive crutches, do not help one get better at their job at all, and as you clearly pointed out they come at a heavy cost to one's DPS.

The macros in question are macros that attempt to put multiple Off-GCD skills or buffs together, or take advantage of the priority order in a macro to combine 2nd or 3rd form skills such as Snap Punch and True Strike together into a single button - button saver macros.

While still being bad, they aren't make or break.

What makes priority macros really bad? they do the rotation perfectly? pressing more buttons in correct order doesnt magically make you do more damage then pressing less buttons but same amount of skills in hte correct order. I can pull the same dps with macros as with out macros like identical dps. But using my macros i have to press "alot" less buttons which when the shit hits the fan means less room for mistakes.

[Mailstrum]

Unless something has changed since I tried to use macros for MNK at launch the /wait rounds up. And that is a huge DPS loss. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say all macros for all jobs suck but for MNK it does.

I'm not a numbers guy but I think you have to have GL3 and like 500+ Skill Speed to get down to like 2sec on skills. I don't focus on Skill Speed for my MNK, I use to but found out it was wrong.
As for the Macros rounding up. Lets say skills @ 2.5sec I could get 20 skills off in 50 sec, Or if I used a macro which will round up to 3secs, I could get 20 skills off in 60secs, that's about 4 more skills I could get off. Now factor in Skill Speed and Greased Lightning which can get you close to 2secs, Marcos are still going to round up regardless of your Skill Speed and GL. Don't know how many more skills you could pump out compared to using macros, but that to me seems like a big DPS loss.

And the reason I wouldn't want to link Shoulder tackle or w/e to another skill, Is because I could lose GL if something triggered, Be in a fight where stunning is important (ifrit) and then over stun, But I guess you could take it off if you prepare yourself. I just wouldn't want to take the chance to lose GL because of a skill triggering.

you dont have to use a wait command with monk macros if you make them correctly because skills are based on stance so you a can do a priority macros based on that mechanic.

[Burritoboy]

I agree with you and I liked how you pointed out how mercy stroke is a tactical disadvantage when you need burst dps. However, that being said I don't see how having shoulder tackle in my macro would put me at a disadvantage because I use controller and if I have to run away from the boss for any reason to avoid an AOE but need to get SP or Demolish off b4 my stacks drop I can Shoulder tackle and then Press whatever in the same button.

[Arkista]

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[Mailstrum]

I commented on why Macros are bad, I even said why macros shouldn't be used on MNK. And I stand behind what I said. I assisted the OP directed him to the Monk Temple thread where everything he needs to know is at. A lot of people even said that macros aren't worth using, Although I think some people were trolling posting macros I'm not sure. There are very few skills that you could macro together, None of which will be any extra help. Unless SE changes the values of /wait or you have enough skill speed to keep you at 2secs w/o GL3 then macros = crap, In turn making a player a bad.

People make playing MNK to complicated its simple.



Ok....You still have to wait for the cool down before you can preform the next move.

<<<<<<<YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE WAIT COMMANDS IN MONK MACROS BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE STANCES TO USE>>>>> so you can do priority macro, it checks the top skill if it cant use it then it goes to the next skill and so on. If on GCD it uses Off GCD skills. how hard is this to understand multiple people explained this to you already.

yes but this allows you to spam the macro and fire it off instantly when it can use the skill. you dont just press it once you go 1 2222222222 3 444444444 1 22222222 3 444444444 you shouldnt Wait for your GCD to actually come off cool down when fighting you should always be spamming the keys so they fire off instantly. the whole server side client side communication thing.


instead of having to go 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7( dot) 8 (dot) ....repeat you can use the macro i posted and save extra 4 keys 2 stance attacks and 2 off GCD attacks.

[Arkista]

snip.

I was typing what I said while you guys were talking about it.

[Mailstrum]

I was typing what I said while you guys were talking about it.

basically my macro plays exactly like if you had all 6 stance attacks out on yoru keyboard plus 2 off GCD skills. You save 4 spots this way and less travel around on the keyboard. and skills fire off exactly perfect timing of off gcd skills and gcd skills.

[NoctisUmbra]

What makes priority macros really bad? they do the rotation perfectly? pressing more buttons in correct order doesnt magically make you do more damage then pressing less buttons but same amount of skills in hte correct order. I can pull the same dps with macros as with out macros like identical dps. But using my macros i have to press "alot" less buttons which when the shit hits the fan means less room for mistakes.

You will in any case, at best, perform as well as a player using MNK optimally without macros. Macros will never give you an advantage. they may make something easier for you - thus them being called a crutch.

Yes, it is entirely possible in specific instances to perform equally well. Theoretically, priority macros are cool because like you say they appear to be equivalent to simply pressing the buttons yourself.

However, there are things such as server lag, latency, etc to consider. When you hit your macro button it goes through line by line. Sometimes latency leads to one or more of the lines being skipped. This can even be the last line, which may be the one you're trying to hit. So what do you do? You spam the button. Each time you hit the button though, the macro is attempting to go through multiple lines.

In a real raid environment, even if in isolated cases, such macros can regularly lead to slight delays in when your command goes through and activates your GCD skill. This means skills coming out slower. This means lower DPS.


Like I said, priority macros or macros that bunch together off-GCD skills do not make or break one's DPS. On the average scale, it won't appear to be much if even noticeable. However, due to the existence of these very real risks and situational errors, simply having a direct command entry for each skill will always be the safest, and thus anybody able to perform optimally without the use of macros will always be a step ahead.