Need some help setting up Monk macross!!!

[NoctisUmbra]

Here's the thing about macros... If you want to be lazy use them, If you want to play like crap and don't care about your DPS use them. If you have enough skill speed to get you to where you can use macros you're doing it wrong. And people telling others to link Shoulder Tackle or w/e to skills shame on you. If you are using them you should probably get out of the habit of doing them.

The only thing macros are going to do is make you lose DPS. Even on trash mobs, But like I said if you want to be lazy use them. Also don't go to endgame content using macros cause people will call you out when your DPS is crap.

Now if we had macros like in FFXI I would probably be using some.

While the core sentiment here is correct, you're also exaggerating a bit.

Unless the macros in question are entirely poorly written, they won't make or break one's DPS ability. What they will do is guarantee that it will be sub-optimal.

For a DPS role, doing more damage is the primary focus, and thus anything that leads to sub-optimal DPS should be shed - at least eventually.

[Arkista]

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Unless something has changed since I tried to use macros for MNK at launch the /wait rounds up. And that is a huge DPS loss. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say all macros for all jobs suck but for MNK it does.

I'm not a numbers guy but I think you have to have GL3 and like 500+ Skill Speed to get down to like 2sec on skills. I don't focus on Skill Speed for my MNK, I use to but found out it was wrong.

As for the Macros rounding up. Lets say skills @ 2.5sec I could get 20 skills off in 50 sec, Or if I used a macro which will round up to 3secs, I could get 20 skills off in 60secs, that's about 4 more skills I could get off. Now factor in Skill Speed and Greased Lightning which can get you close to 2secs, Marcos are still going to round up regardless of your Skill Speed and GL. Don't know how many more skills you could pump out compared to using macros, but that to me seems like a big DPS loss.

And the reason I wouldn't want to link Shoulder tackle or w/e to another skill, Is because I could lose GL if something triggered, Be in a fight where stunning is important (ifrit) and then over stun, But I guess you could take it off if you prepare yourself. I just wouldn't want to take the chance to lose GL because of a skill triggering.

[Sigred]

When you practice with bad habits, you are practicing to become better at being bad.

[NoctisUmbra]

Unless something has changed since I tried to use macros for MNK at launch the /wait rounds up. And that is a huge DPS loss. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say all macros for all jobs suck but for MNK it does.

This is where you've got the wrong idea. Macros that involve using the /wait command, or attempting to make use of multiple GCDs in any way are a significant DPS loss and would fall under the scope of "entirely poorly written".They are massive crutches, do not help one get better at their job at all, and as you clearly pointed out they come at a heavy cost to one's DPS.

The macros in question are macros that attempt to put multiple Off-GCD skills or buffs together, or take advantage of the priority order in a macro to combine 2nd or 3rd form skills such as Snap Punch and True Strike together into a single button - button saver macros.

While still being bad, they aren't make or break.

[Burritoboy]

I agree with you and I liked how you pointed out how mercy stroke is a tactical disadvantage when you need burst dps. However, that being said I don't see how having shoulder tackle in my macro would put me at a disadvantage because I use controller and if I have to run away from the boss for any reason to avoid an AOE but need to get SP or Demolish off b4 my stacks drop I can Shoulder tackle and then Press whatever in the same button.

[Mailstrum]

Unless something has changed since I tried to use macros for MNK at launch the /wait rounds up. And that is a huge DPS loss. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say all macros for all jobs suck but for MNK it does.

I'm not a numbers guy but I think you have to have GL3 and like 500+ Skill Speed to get down to like 2sec on skills. I don't focus on Skill Speed for my MNK, I use to but found out it was wrong.
As for the Macros rounding up. Lets say skills @ 2.5sec I could get 20 skills off in 50 sec, Or if I used a macro which will round up to 3secs, I could get 20 skills off in 60secs, that's about 4 more skills I could get off. Now factor in Skill Speed and Greased Lightning which can get you close to 2secs, Marcos are still going to round up regardless of your Skill Speed and GL. Don't know how many more skills you could pump out compared to using macros, but that to me seems like a big DPS loss.

And the reason I wouldn't want to link Shoulder tackle or w/e to another skill, Is because I could lose GL if something triggered, Be in a fight where stunning is important (ifrit) and then over stun, But I guess you could take it off if you prepare yourself. I just wouldn't want to take the chance to lose GL because of a skill triggering.

you dont have to use a wait command with monk macros if you make them correctly because skills are based on stance so you a can do a priority macros based on that mechanic.

[Burritoboy]

The only person that was any help was Noctis and I have made changes accordingly. Noctis could actualy explain why the rest of everyone else is quick to call someone but can't reinforce the reason why its bad. So what I am saying is Thank You Noctis and everyone else please take classes on helping someone. The point of this thread is to assist the OP and anyone who might be interested in what Macros you can use and what macros will hinder you. Everyone complains how bad the player base is but only 1 out of 50 take the time to give solutions instead of calling people out.

[Arkista]

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[Mailstrum]

I commented on why Macros are bad, I even said why macros shouldn't be used on MNK. And I stand behind what I said. I assisted the OP directed him to the Monk Temple thread where everything he needs to know is at. A lot of people even said that macros aren't worth using, Although I think some people were trolling posting macros I'm not sure. There are very few skills that you could macro together, None of which will be any extra help. Unless SE changes the values of /wait or you have enough skill speed to keep you at 2secs w/o GL3 then macros = crap, In turn making a player a bad.

People make playing MNK to complicated its simple.



Ok....You still have to wait for the cool down before you can preform the next move.

<<<<<<<YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE WAIT COMMANDS IN MONK MACROS BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE STANCES TO USE>>>>> so you can do priority macro, it checks the top skill if it cant use it then it goes to the next skill and so on. If on GCD it uses Off GCD skills. how hard is this to understand multiple people explained this to you already.

yes but this allows you to spam the macro and fire it off instantly when it can use the skill. you dont just press it once you go 1 2222222222 3 444444444 1 22222222 3 444444444 you shouldnt Wait for your GCD to actually come off cool down when fighting you should always be spamming the keys so they fire off instantly. the whole server side client side communication thing.


instead of having to go 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7( dot) 8 (dot) ....repeat you can use the macro i posted and save extra 4 keys 2 stance attacks and 2 off GCD attacks.

[Arkista]

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I was typing what I said while you guys were talking about it.