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    Arkista's Avatar
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    Arkista Valentine
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRyoKu View Post
    the casuals will be left behind because they will still have to get to 70 to be able to get to 90.
    Nope. You could get full ilvl90 without even touching Darklight or Crystal Tower gear.... AK/WP and all the hard mode dungeons give myth tomes. None of those require you to be ilvl70. Yes ilvl70 gear will make it easier to farm but its not holding anyone back, And to further this with Myth caps gone it makes all ilvl70/ilvl80 gear obsolete. Relic gear is the new Darklight in 2.2. So everyone better to be ready to see ilvl90 only for everything.
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    Edwin Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    Nope. You could get full ilvl90 without even touching Darklight or Crystal Tower gear.... AK/WP and all the hard mode dungeons give myth tomes. None of those require you to be ilvl70. Yes ilvl70 gear will make it easier to farm but its not holding anyone back, And to further this with Myth caps gone it makes all ilvl70/ilvl80 gear obsolete. Relic gear is the new Darklight in 2.2. So everyone better to be ready to see ilvl90 only for everything.
    Until the next set of Coil is released with even higher tier gears in probably 2.4 since they're going by 2.2 coil, 2.3 CT, 2.4 Coil, 2.5 CT, and so on.

    but with 2 year per expansion plan we will probably see CT finished before 1st expansion is released which would be around 2.5 or 2.6.
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    Supply Demand
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    I think the important thing to remember is that anyone who had at least a moderate desire to cap myth and get geared, even if they have never done Coil, is probably i90 or close at this point. I know for a fact that it is possible for people to have full mytho sets for a single job at this point without ever having set foot in Coil.

    So the only people who DON'T have one job @ i90 (or multiple in the 80s, like me), are the people who weren't capping myth anyways, thus wouldn't break 450/week post 2.2 . . .

    So, what? You don't want people to have alt jobs @ i90 because.... nennuhhgg?

    This is just a shift in the positive direction of the X axis on a linear equation. The value of gear relative to its accessibility is going to remain roughly the same, except that there are higher barriers to entry on Mytho gear because you can farm it at roughly 25-40% the rate that you can farm philo.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoRyoKu View Post
    Bottom line, how can casual feel sentiment of accomplishement when they have JUST reached ilvl 90 and SE says, no, no this is all for nothing, continue the grind forrrreva....
    If you value hard-core things as a casual player you will never get a sense of accomplishment as long as your time is limited to "casual" in your own eyes. Your resources cannot meet your goals. I'd say a nice goal would be for a casual to get to i90 before they increase the iLVL cap. Anything above that... you'd have to put the hard core time in, that's how it works.

    You have one month.... GO!!!
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    Last edited by Ehayte; 02-22-2014 at 04:43 AM.

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    So every new tier we're just going to get more tomes? Are we ever going to have RNG?
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    Nyaano Nohea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faedden View Post
    So every new tier we're just going to get more tomes? Are we ever going to have RNG?
    Coil/CT RNG not enough for you?
    Tomes allows you to gear up even if RNG screws you over every time.
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    Eddard Moore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekodar View Post
    Coil/CT RNG not enough for you?
    Tomes allows you to gear up even if RNG screws you over every time.
    No it doesn't because they put a cap on it. Allowing you to only get 1 piece of gear a week is getting screwed over. Tome systems are horrible.

    They say its to prevent hard-cores from creating a gap from the casuals but it's doing just that. If someone misses a week or two for whatever reason they WILL ALWAYS be behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    SE stated that there won't be RNG besides the lots on items. RNG at end game on EVERY mmo using it is just a 0.01% grind fest and is plainly boring. The actual community of mmos don't want that anymore
    It doesnt have to be 0.01% it can be a bit higher and you say the community of mmoers dont want that yet MAJORITY of everyone here is complaining about myth caps. Atleast with RNG you have something to do other than log in on Monday to cap for one piece of gear and log out.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreakinZMartin View Post
    I never ever want to see RNG in an MMO ever again, had enough of it. Being able to get tomes to work up to getting different armour/weapons is a lot better than 0.01 drop rate, coil drops are perfectly fine too, I love the way SE has gone with this and I really hope they keep this up.
    RNG+lock out is worse than a 0.01% drop rate. ._.

    Anyway my point is, it's extremely stupid to just keep having all these different tomes everytime a new tier of gear comes out. I'm assuming this game is going to go up to level 99? Think of all those token systems ._.
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    Last edited by Faedden; 02-23-2014 at 03:22 AM.

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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faedden View Post
    RNG+lock out is worse than a 0.01% drop rate. ._.

    Anyway my point is, it's extremely stupid to just keep having all these different tomes everytime a new tier of gear comes out. I'm assuming this game is going to go up to level 99? Think of all those token systems ._.
    You never played Ragnarok online to say that.

    Sure new tomes every time will shortly fall, but nothing says it will remain like that for ever. Maybe future AF will be only upgradable from some things you get in top tier dungeons or stuff like that.. idk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faedden View Post
    So every new tier we're just going to get more tomes? Are we ever going to have RNG?
    SE stated that there won't be RNG besides the lots on items. RNG at end game on EVERY mmo using it is just a 0.01% grind fest and is plainly boring. The actual community of mmos don't want that anymore
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    Martin Fonteyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faedden View Post
    So every new tier we're just going to get more tomes? Are we ever going to have RNG?
    I never ever want to see RNG in an MMO ever again, had enough of it. Being able to get tomes to work up to getting different armour/weapons is a lot better than 0.01 drop rate, coil drops are perfectly fine too, I love the way SE has gone with this and I really hope they keep this up.
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    Axidrain Fy
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    I would prefer they make these tomes for highest tier items a bit harder to get if RNG will never be a part of this game. Instead of limiting the amount you can get per week. Make it harder to farm.
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