Leves should be removed or atleast downplayed for overall gameplay?

[danny52844]

resources get re-purposed... its efficient

efficiency doesnt sound that fun

[Rydin]

I think its more on how they are presented in the game. The opening video made them seem like they were going to be more challenging and epic. They might be higher level leves in that video, but from the leves we have now, its just not a good impression at all.

agreed.... they need to be more involved, more story and more objectives

[Seikninkuru]

Ummm you're not describing partying. Partying is grouping up, that's what you do in leves, NM fights, etc. You are describing grinding the same mob over and over while you sit in one spot and kill the respawns for fractions of your level. This is the method of progression that was used in EQ1 and I assume FFXI. It's an archaic, unimaginative, and uninspiring system. No thanks, 2 thumbs down.

[danny52844]

Ummm you're not describing partying. Partying is grouping up, that's what you do in leves, NM fights, etc. You are describing grinding the same mob over and over while you sit in one spot and kill the respawns for fractions of your level. This is the method of progression that was used in EQ1 and I assume FFXI. It's an archaic, unimaginative, and uninspiring system. No thanks, 2 thumbs down.

and grouping up in leves and nms to kill the same things every day and a half or 5 minutes is not just as unimaginative?
the only diff between partying and leves is that partying can be done any time and thats the main reason im saying it should be the more important thing

[Seikninkuru]

and grouping up in leves and nms to kill the same things every day and a half or 5 minutes is not just as unimaginative?
the only diff between partying and leves is that partying can be done any time and thats the main reason im saying it should be the more important thing

No that's not what you're saying. Repeating the same leves is boring. Rather than revert to an extremely archaic progression system because you can't realize that FFXI was an 'ok' game 10 years ago and is not anymore they could simply expand upon the current system.

You do realize games are moving away from that system because players do not like it.

[Rowyne]

No that's not what you're saying. Repeating the same leves is boring. Rather than revert to an extremely archaic progression system because you can't realize that FFXI was an 'ok' game 10 years ago and is not anymore they could simply expand upon the current system.

You do realize games are moving away from that system because players do not like it.

+1 Agreed.

[danny52844]

No that's not what you're saying. Repeating the same leves is boring. Rather than revert to an extremely archaic progression system because you can't realize that FFXI was an 'ok' game 10 years ago and is not anymore they could simply expand upon the current system.

You do realize games are moving away from that system because players do not like it.

'ok' game as in the 2nd most popular mmo in its prime? and the main thing ive ever quoted from 11 in this thread is the campaign and keeping party as the back bone with the addition of options that 11 did not offer (wow just realized this is way off topic :|) but yet the only reason im refering to partying as the back bone is back to the first post you need a reason to go to different areas the game NEEDS to push u to diff area or thiers no reward and whats up with leves go to this diff area kill what we spawn for u gj gj do it 7 more times and wait while if u pt u have to find where to camp and many different areas in the map to switch when u out grow the ppl at the camp but even if u hate that HEY we have behest leves grand companys (other things SE might make) that will get u to the end game and maybe bonus items for incentive even for the ppl who enjoy partys
idk whats wrong with that?

[Rowyne]

but yet the only reason im refering to partying as the back bone is back to the first post you need a reason to go to different areas the game NEEDS to push u to diff area or thiers no reward

I agree, this game has a serious lack of progression. But how is party grinding the only way to facilitate that progression?

This issue is addressed in http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Zone-Long-OP

Here you'll find that the progression issue is a complex problem caused by poor leve design, random monster placement, lack of subzone variety, and little incentive to send players to high-level areas like Coerthas and Mor Dhona.

Even if we strip everything down to pure party grinding, it will not fix the progression issue.

[Nuru]

Could this be a good example of something other than leves? Perhaps some friendly competition?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...783#post201783

[Engineer]

At first, I really liked leves, until I started doing the same thing everyday. It got kind of boring, and started to feel like grinding. I wish xiv was more of a quest and progress kind of structure, instead of grinding 20 levels to do one quest..