"ready check" spam trolling during primal fights

[AmnesiaHaze]

It's unfortunate that Square has to actually expect the worst from players..instead of expecting the good in them.

thats how life works in general ... better be safe than sorry

[NyneAlexander]

It's unfortunate that Square has to actually expect the worst from players..instead of expecting the good in them.

Unfortunate but true. Sorry, its just good business in 2014 to expect that any and all users are dumb and relatively immature. Of course that isn't the case across the board, but they'd be better off assuming that most players will act like dumb children rather than most players would act like people who want to enjoy the game.

[GalaxyGirl]

why assume a party leader would not exploit the feature ? it needs a smart redesign to not allow abuse , but im not payed to come up with solutions for this so i let the devs find some solution , hopefully it gets attention soon

If the party leader is only able to do it, then we'll know he's abusing it so we can initiate a vote dismiss

[Cigaran]

The first rule of designing any feature for a game should be to stop and ask how it can be abused to harass other players.

[Traek]

It simply needs to be adjusted so only party leader can use it nor allow it to be used when the party is engaged in battle.

The problem with this method is, when entering any dungeon/raid party leaders get all mixed up. The person who started a party, or is leading doesn't get it in the instance. Also there is always people who just don't want to lead, and will nullify the ready check's good use. I'm not against this method if party leaders are kept when entering instances, though alliances will be another hurdle, especially with DF. One way to accomplish the same thing.. Just add who initiated the ready check to the box.. Easy to vote kick the troll. The same should be done for the vote dismiss feature.

Dear SE: Ready checks should not be available to use once battle has started. It should only be used BEFORE anything aggros anyone.

(Why wasn't this obvious thing implemented again?)

This I totally agree with, and it is the easy fix for this. Not sure why SE would allow it beyond the engagement.. defeats the purpose of a ready check. I'd hope people are ready if you are fighting, and if not it will be quite apparent before a ready check can even be initiated.

Also the ready check should have at least a 6-7 minute cool down so people can't spam it over & over.

Noooo not at all. Though "spamming" is annoying, the engagement canceling it is best. People do legitimately need to know before 6-7mins whether or not someone is ready or back. Sometimes its coming back from a 5min break to just test to see who from your group is back. Then you do another in 30sec. or a 1min when someone says they are back, etc. Then there can be one for when you know people are back, and want to actually know who is ready for the engagement.. etc... It is actually a good thing to have around, and players will see the benefits when trolls are able to be dealt with.

[DefendPopPunk]

This should have been seen coming a mile away. To anyone saying that SE shouldn't have to expect the worst from players, isn't that the reason they use to delay content or fixes (when they recognize the potential for abuse so approach things cautiously)? They took forever to implement vote kick because they knew some people would be asses about it and abuse it. They still have issues with people being asses about it, but they changed some things about it to make it less annoying (no kicking while loot is in pool I guess). Then the same crap with vote dismiss. Now this...it's like never learning their lesson. The lesson being that their players are a bunch of dumb children.

[AmnesiaHaze]

If the party leader is only able to do it, then we'll know he's abusing it so we can initiate a vote dismiss

although its a workaround indeed to kick if you know the person doing it, its not solving the abuse problem itself, its better not allowing it in first place

[Nukocafe]

Noooo not at all. Though "spamming" is annoying, the engagement canceling it is best. People do legitimately need to know before 6-7mins whether or not someone is ready or back.

It's very simple - make it 6-7 cool down PER PERSON.
This way "oh bob went to the bathroom" since JOhn already did a ready check, Melissa can do a ready check when Bob is back.
This way you don't have the same troll spamming it over and over. So in fact it's not a bad idea at all.
If you have multiple people spamming it though then you're in a party full of trolls and it's a sign to leave anyway :P

[AmnesiaHaze]

If you have multiple people spamming it though then you're in a party full of trolls and it's a sign to leave anyway :P

yes i had to leave my party , but i also took 30 minutes penalty , while the troll could just requeue and ruin another game

[Nukocafe]

yes i had to leave my party , but i also took 30 minutes penalty , while the troll could just requeue and ruin another game

solutions to that situation:
-Vote Abandon
-AFK until they vote kick you

No Penalty! \0/