Dear YoshiP, please stop misusing the word "raid".

[KumaAkuma]

吉田氏：
　そこ は，レイ ドという 単語の捕 らえ方だ と思いま すよ 。例え ば「 WoW 」（World of Warcraft）のレ イドっ て5人，10人 のやつ がある 一方で，20 人越えの やつは「 そんな に人を集 められ ないよ」 って寂 れてい たり，完全 にハード ゲー マ ーコンテ ンツ化し ていま す。「EQ」（EverQuest）から 始まっ たよう な，レイ ド＝大規 模 PvEって捕 らえ方 ではな く，攻略 性の高い コンテ ンツ， と 僕は考え ていま す。
YoshiP: That depends on how you take Raid, for example in WoW there are Raids that are for 5 players, 10 players, and also 20+ “Hard to get that much people” type of stuff. Stuff for hardcore gamers. I am thinking as raid is contents that requires strategy, unlike EQ (EverQuest) raid=large-scale PvE.

4Gamer：
　それで は，プロ デューサ ーレター に書い てあるレイ ドダンジ ョンも ，大規模 戦とい うよ り，攻略 をメイ ンとした高難 度コンテン ツとい うことで すか。
4Gamer: So like it says on the producer letter, the Raid Dungeons are more of strategy content rather than a large-scale content correct?

吉田氏：
　そう ですね。イ ンスタ ンス化し て，誰 にも邪魔 されない 環境 で，8 人で徹 底的に攻 略して くださ いとい う内容に なります 。以前 のアン ケートで もそう ですが ，今後レ ターの 中で，レ イドと は区別 して，大 規模 PvE は大規 模 PvE と呼ぶと 思い ます。
YoshiP: Yes, making it instanced and not being distracted by others. Having 8 players build a strategy to clear/complete. In later letters most likely will call a large-scale PvE, a large-scale PvE not Raid.

From: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/14633-New-interview-from-JP-4gamer-site



Dear YoshiP,

I know I'm nitpicking, but it's really frustrating that you're misusing this word. You reference WoW, which is a good thing since a lot of people learned the term overthere, but your explanation is incorrect...

In WoW a raid is formed when the size of one party is not enough. When you switch to raid style, you're able to bind up to 8 parties together. Making it possible for up to 5x8= 40 people to play together.

The properties of a raid are also different from a normal party. In a raid, you are unable to complete objectives of standard quests and minitargets of all raidparties, with their members, will become available. Plus /raid chatting (similar to /party) is enabled to cover all the parties.

In WoW "raids" are associated with large-scale PvE (and also large-scale PvP), because you start using raids for content that's designed for a minimum of 10 players.

The term you should be using for content that's instanced and requires strategy is "dungeon" or just plain "instance". A dungeon for a regular party is never called a raid in WoW.

A "raid dungeon" in FFXIV would be a dungeon for large-scale PvE content: 16+ players (atleast 2 parties bound together)

I hope this post is clear enough to show the proper use of the words "raid" and "dungeon"/"instance".

[AeraLucis]

Um, this isn't WoW? Why must we adopt their terminology?

[TonyMontana]

Um, this isn't WoW? Why must we adopt their terminology?

While I agree, wow is the standard and the most commonly played MMO in existance.

[Wynn]

While I agree, wow is the standard and the most commonly played MMO in existance.

I don't think WoW is the standard, though it is the most known. Almost everything it does was taken from games that came before. Those pioneers are the real standard. The younger gamers get, the less people recall there was a time before WoW.

Next thread: rename Duskwight Elezen to Night Elves.

[TonyMontana]

I don't think WoW is the standard, though it is the most known. Almost everything it does was taken from games that came before. Those pioneers are the real standard. The younger gamers get, the less people recall there was a time before WoW.

Next thread: rename Duskwight Elezen to Night Elves.

Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time in basketball. There were great players before him. Players that were greats shooters, great defenders, great in the clutch, great court vision but when you talk about the best player ever Michael Jordan is the standard that has been set. The pioneers are not always the standard. Sometimes someone comes along and is just head and shoulders better than everyone else and they become the standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan

[TirionCrey]

Um, this isn't WoW? Why must we adopt their terminology?

EXACTLY. YOU are misusing the word by giving it a set definition that doesn't exist!

Don't come here from WoW and think WoW is the godfather and creater of all MMOs...

[Rau]

Um, this isn't WoW? Why must we adopt their terminology?

So long as we copy paste the concept, we can't use the words? What are you? A Korean Android developer?

[giftforce]

Um, this isn't WoW? Why must we adopt their terminology?

Exactly. So why is Yoshi adopting it.

[SniperRifle]

The whole point of this thread was so that when the OP bragged to his WoW friends that he was raiding in FFXIV, that he was doing something large scale and WoW-cool. SE squashed his dreams, now he has a BF (White Chicks terminology).

raid -

1. A surprise attack by a small armed force.
2. A sudden forcible entry into a place by police: a raid on a gambling den.
3. An entrance into another's territory for the purpose of seizing goods or valuables.
4. A predatory operation mounted against a competitor, especially an attempt to lure away the personnel or membership of a competing organization.

This isn't an issue with MMO terminology. It's English. Do you speak it? It's certainly not Yoshi's native language, yet ignorant people want to argue semantics with him. Fantastic.

Lol and raid by definition actually seems to fit perfectly for what Yoshi calls a raid.

[SuzakuCMX]

The whole point of this thread was so that when the OP bragged to his WoW friends that he was raiding in FFXIV, that he was doing something large scale and WoW-cool. SE squashed his dreams, now he has a BF (White Chicks terminology).

Why'd you necro this? It hadn't been replied to for almost 2 weeks and then...