What's more difficult to use end game? SCH or WHM

[vpc]

There have been numerous people that have asked me to teach them how to WHM. You can spam your heals all you want, but at the end of the day, mana management, timing of your heals, and the small minute details that no one except other healers will ever notice are what set WHM apart. A crappy WHM can get by w/ bards and tanks carrying them through w/ CDs and Mana song. A really good WHM such as myself will never, ever, require mana song. I will revive 2 or 3 people and solo heal portions of fights and still not need it. You don't instant heal butt clench savers except Benediction. You don't have a fairy healing everyone while you do your thing. It's an art.

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[zaviermhigo]

I say they are equal. Whm it is easier to spam cures, but they have to watch out for their hate, and whm can steal hate very easily if they are stupid and just go in and spam big cures, being a whm is more about knowing when not to cure.

Being a sch you should know when to negate vs when to cure, that is maybe a tad harder than whm, but its nearly impossible for a sch to steal hate from a tank who has established hate, so we don't have to worry as much about spamming.

Its not about ease or difficulty at end game, its about which one you are better at playing/enjoy playing more, XIV doesn't need more crappy healers who rushed into leveling the class just because "they or they're fc needed" one, we need good healers. (Just DF for a while you'll see what I mean, there are more crappy healers than good ones, more crappy tanks than good ones, and more crappy dds than good ones, so we need people who can actually care just slightly enough to the point where I don't want to kick them for being so bad, i get it...its a game, but how to people have fun knowing they suck?)

Also as a SCH I see a lot of crappy sch, they are giving sch a bad name in general I think, like when I meet new people and they see my sch they aren't expecting a good healer, but then they get one and are shocked to see its not sch are bad, its people are stupid. Please micro manage your fairy, if you let your fairy blow their load in the first 10 secs, (no excuse with new patch changes) I'm hoping I never see you again. Macro your pet's cure into your cure, so when you physick someone, they are also embracing that person, etc, it makes up for the fact we don't have fat cures like whm.

[Mailstrum]

Wait when you say main heal, you mean main tank healing? SCH are KINGS of single target healing. We have all sorts of tools which make us better main tank healers than WHMs. If I place my fairy at the MTs ass so she only heals the MT while on obey and I spam a mix of physick, adlo and lustrate on the MT, unless he gets one shot, it's almost impossible for him to die. Especially since I can aetherflow to keep this cycle going for a long time. WHMs, on the other hand, only have divine seal, presence of mind (long CD), benediction (another long ass CD) and cure 2 to keep an MT up with for an extended fight. Cure 2 notoriously drains a WHMs mana very fast unless the WHM is mixing in cures to proc free cure. Even with shroud, they can't keep up MT healing on a long fight the same way an SCH can.

most fights keeping up regen and cure I is enough and timing free cure II with the occasional non free cure II. MP isnt much of an issue as a whm.

[WLotus]

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[Alexia89]

WHM is easier to play imho.

Have played both in end game, but I greatly prefer SCH. I find myself getting easily bored playing WHM now :'(
So much more enjoyable micro managing fairy and Aether stacks etc.

[lxSch]

Wait when you say main heal, you mean main tank healing? SCH are KINGS of single target healing. We have all sorts of tools which make us better main tank healers than WHMs. If I place my fairy at the MTs ass so she only heals the MT while on obey and I spam a mix of physick, adlo and lustrate on the MT, unless he gets one shot, it's almost impossible for him to die. Especially since I can aetherflow to keep this cycle going for a long time. WHMs, on the other hand, only have divine seal, presence of mind (long CD), benediction (another long ass CD) and cure 2 to keep an MT up with for an extended fight. Cure 2 notoriously drains a WHMs mana very fast unless the WHM is mixing in cures to proc free cure. Even with shroud, they can't keep up MT healing on a long fight the same way an SCH can.

I meant main healer = raid healer.
I would not say WHM is that bad at long time tanker healing: divine seal, regen and cure/freecure are similar to rouse, physick and embrace.

[Ninix]

I'd say at the average player skill level, Scholar is easier. It's easier to be a crappy/mediocre Scholar and still do alright than it is as a crappy/mediocre White Mage, largely because you have that fairy pumping out almost a quarter of your heals and no real mana concerns to worry about.

At the high-end, though, I think it's the opposite. It's a bit more difficult to be a really good SCH than it is to be a really good WHM, for a number of reasons. You're playing more proactively instead of reactively (so you generally need to be more familiar with a fight or be able to read a situation better), you have quite a few more skills and keybinds to keep track of (I have almost four full hotbars worth of abilities on SCH, a little over two on WHM), and you have a pet to micromanage (which requires you to be conscientious of where she is in relation to your primary heal target, fight mechanics, and party members she needs to hit with her AoE buffs).

Now, you do have a much easier time of managing mana and a really good instant cast heal on a very short cooldown, both of which WHM lacks. So in the end it kind of balances out. Even though WHM has fewer buttons to press at the high-end, they need to be much more careful about MP management and making sure they pick their heal targets and spells properly, because with the exception of Benediction they have absolutely no way to get someone's health up quickly without casting for two seconds or waiting for a HoT tick. I still feel like SCH is a bit more engaging but they're both pretty close, I would say.

[Kuroyasha]

They're both fine/about the same difficulty imo. I mean if you know some hits are coming that'll hit the tank hard u adlo and/or stoneskin. Both use E4E and Virus (albeit different CD times and one having an additional bonus for Int). If you need a bigger heal you C2/ EmPhysick. No WHM doesnt have lustrate, but the whole point is to never need a lustrate with the power a whm has w/ regen/ med2 regen (assuming tank is in range)/ C2 / increased magic def protect/ 18% stoneskin etc.

And plz stop saying WHM is reactive. You have to be proactive on that as well, less you want to cause wipes with untimely heals. Best WHMs start a heal b4 the big hit so it can land within a second of the big hit landing, cast SS pre-emptively at opportune moments in battle, and routinely use E4E and Virus. That's a lot of proactiveness right there. Yes they have the tools to help recover faster but to say WHM is reactive is misleading to those who may be new to the game or class IMO.