What's more difficult to use end game? SCH or WHM

[BunnyChain]

not true, as a whm also needs to stoneskin tanks prior to death sentence, and timing has to be spot on too early means plummet will take it off, too late means it wont proc even though its on the tank during ds. Also whm has a lot of utility to use, like cleric stancing to help out in important areas, and aoe healing the whole party, keeping regen on tank, keeping an eye on procs to not run out of mana, proper management of mana and cds, and lots more.

Well, our Paladin puts Stoneskin on himself often, so that (at least) can be a shared responsibility.

So, we have:

• Adloquium (faster cast time but only on SCH) vs. Stoneskin (longer cast time but shared responsibility)
• Aetherflow (restore MP plus Sacred Soil) vs. Shroud of Saints (restore MP and decrease hate)
• Lustrate (up to 3 in a minute, instant) vs. Benediction (once every 5 minutes, delayed)?
• Faerie (placement and 4 or 3 different spells, excluding Selene's Silent Dawn but have to cycle her CDs) vs. Divine Seal & Presence of Mind?
• Succor (preemptive) vs. Mediaca I or II (reactive)
• Sacred Soil (pre Fireball) vs. Cure III (right after)?

They seem pretty much the same, tbh.

Whoever made this 1000 characters limit...

[wildgalax]

Well, our Paladin puts Stoneskin on himself often, so that (at least) can be a shared responsibility.

. Mediaca I or II (reactive)[*]Sacred Soil (pre Fireball) vs. Cure III (right after)?[/LIST]
They seem pretty much the same, tbh.

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i havnt played scholar, and if i would have to guess id say they are a bit harder to play considering they have to manage pet as well. I just dont agree with people who make it out like whm are a lot easier to play and carry less responsibility.

[Mirakell]

I play both, main scholar though due to my healing partner liking white mage better, but I like both classes alot and find they shine in different ways.

Scholar can be a little more difficult to master I guess, if the player is willing to max out the potential that their fairy offers. If they just want to leave their faries on auto and not deal with the micro management then the class is a lot easier but you lose a lot of potential too. I don't seem to have mana issues on either class now that my mana pools are so big, but it is true that mp management is a lot easier for scholars.

White mages shine where you need to heal more than 3+ people. They make for great aoe heals and keeping other raid members topped off while scholars are throwing their shields around the tank. Of course a scholar and white mage team is the best around ^.^

[BunnyChain]

i havnt played scholar, and if i would have to guess id say they are a bit harder to play considering they have to manage pet as well. I just dont agree with people who make it out like whm are a lot easier to play and carry less responsibility.

See, the only thing I said is that SCH is not easier than WHM. :P

but I can't imagine it being more difficult than SCH.

[lxSch]

From my experience sch role is much easier if there is a whm to mainheal; if sch is the main healer - it is very hard. WHM can easily main or offheal and most of dungeons do not require sch-exclusive spells.

[WLotus]

WHM is hard to pickup and very hard to master. SCH is easy to pickup and hard to master. As a SCH, don't even have to worry about mana management. You have 6 Lustrates readily available right at the start of a fight. They are instant cast and virtually no cooldown. Your fairy acts almost as a second healer. With EoS out, gameover. What makes a good SCH is a sch who is not only very good at healing, keeping shields up, and microing their fairy. They need to know when to DPS and do good DPS during that time. A SCH can do amazing DPS while keeping the whole party alive at the same time. As a well respected and revered WHM myself, I can say that I personally believe, and many World Class players I've talked to agree, that WHM is the harder of the two to play masterfully. Many of the supposed "top teir healers" on my server and FC (which dominates our server) have absolutely horrid mana management and quite simply they have one dimensional healing.

[WLotus]

There have been numerous people that have asked me to teach them how to WHM. You can spam your heals all you want, but at the end of the day, mana management, timing of your heals, and the small minute details that no one except other healers will ever notice are what set WHM apart. A crappy WHM can get by w/ bards and tanks carrying them through w/ CDs and Mana song. A really good WHM such as myself will never, ever, require mana song. I will revive 2 or 3 people and solo heal portions of fights and still not need it. You don't instant heal butt clench savers except Benediction. You don't have a fairy healing everyone while you do your thing. It's an art.

[Lafiele]

It depends on your definition of easy. As a sch i need to push more buttons. In that sense whm is easier. Less choices, less buttons. Less buttons also means less control however. Less actions per gcd.

So overall I think sch is easier if you can handle buttons. Pet management is easy, macros make it easier, mana is a joke to manage and having lustrate means you can respond to things much faster. On a single target there is no question sch is easier to keep a tank up with. Aoe is a little more complicated on a sch but just because a whm CAN spam aoe heals doesn't mean its easy, you'll destroy your mana and generate threat.

Both healers must be proactive, just differently.

The Sch version of proactive is preshield, mitigation, and if somehow the tank still gets hit too hard they have lustrate.

Whm proactive is timing heals to land as or right after damage lands, that means you need to understand the fight enough to start casts before scripted moves and understand autoattack timers. Tank gets a bad hit, hope your tank doesn't die in the next gcd.

I pretty much am on the same page as you. I find that all the things SCH has to manage are so easy, pet management and extra skills are not even worth mentioning in my book (seriously, I say this so often, if you think pet management for SCH is hard, then SMN is a billion times more frustrating, though it's slightly better since the most recent patch). The difference between WHM and SCH to me is that SCH by themselves have excellent utilities already. People say pet is doing half your healing but that's not even true. A SCH without their pet can heal just 95% as good as a WHM but the main thing that makes them much easier than others is the lustrates. Three 25 % instant heals t hat cost no mana every 60 seconds pretty much means if you have the reaction time you don't have to fully understand a fight and still be able to heal fine. WHM on the other hand, if they heal from a big hit when they see the damage, it's too late. The pre-emptive nature and high mana management upkeep is what makes WHM harder overall in end game.

I always agree this, WHM is easier to pick up, they have less things to manage (less skills) and generally a more straight forward class to understand but they are also way harder to master. SCH on the other hand, anyone who has a tiny amount of macro/micro ability (you're essentially only controlling 2 units anyways and half the time you don't have to move it more than once or twice, pet skills can be easily manage by anyone if they are macroed properly).

[Lafiele]

So I just wanted to weigh in on this as I've only recently started healing in FF legitimately on my SCH. Initially in my eyes the WHM was a "better" healer due to the fact that they can drop bigger heals. For me as a Cleric in EQ, and a Priest in WoW those big heals were what I was accustomed to. That said getting more comfortable with my SCH, and now controlling the fairy by macroing Embrace to Physick, and AOE regens I'd say they are on par, BUT <- big but. They do the job quite differently. Also in my experience where a WHM, and a WHM can gel together well. Most often when I see SCH/SCH in 8 mans I know I'm in for a workout. It simply takes A LOT more effort to get a whole group topped up when you aren't synergizing with a WHM. Also the fact that Galvanize doesn't stack also plays a part here.

So the result here at least from my observation is this: WHM drops bigger heals, and has a legitimate "OH SH**" button with Benediction. SCH is great for mitigating damage, and in dishing some DPS(not in 8 mans) when able, and is also quite mobile thanks to instant Lustrate. Also MP is easier to manage typically on a SCH than a WHM. Together they are a phenomenal team, but you'll have to get used double casting Succor, and/or burning Rouse, and Whispering Dawn on the big AOE's when teaming with another SCH. As always YMMV.

Lol actually, two SCH in most fights are easier for me than 2 WHM. Double the amount of lustrates, good mitigation, 2 fairies healing there is really no beating it. 2 WHm on the other hand is much harder to sync together since all heals are pre-emptive and any healing that goes above 100 % is essentially wasted. THere is almost no fight that and I actually can't think of any that 2 SCHs cant heal just as easy as WHM. For example, let's take titan ex, healing through stomps are easy, if everyone is at max hp, even if you don't do any succors during the stomps no one will die. There is plenty of time to heal the players afterwards but usually if both schs spam succor as a WHM would cast medica, there is essentiall no difference. Healing confs in t5, not a problem, pop 1-3 succors and everyone is full again, got bad RNG on the fireball conf? not a problem, assuming you know the fight and always manage to cast 1 succor after a fireball and have placed your pet outside, then by the time you're out the pet will have healed most of the members to full already. If not immediately do another succor and all full again. Ifrit ex, easy, just same as WHM, the sch without searring wind goes in and does a few succors, manage pet for aoe healing etc. Pretty much every situation is better to use 2 SCHs than 2 WHM. The difference between succor and medica is roughly medica heals for 900 ish while succor is 300 ish + shield (making it 600 ish). Also not to mention, if you save the pet aoe heal for that bit, it's on par and arguely even better than medica. I usually go with 1 sch 1 whm combo as best of course but if i had to choose 2 WHM over 2 SCH for any fight, i'll go for the 2 SCH.

[SulwynCaliope]

From my experience sch role is much easier if there is a whm to mainheal; if sch is the main healer - it is very hard. WHM can easily main or offheal and most of dungeons do not require sch-exclusive spells.

Wait when you say main heal, you mean main tank healing? SCH are KINGS of single target healing. We have all sorts of tools which make us better main tank healers than WHMs. If I place my fairy at the MTs ass so she only heals the MT while on obey and I spam a mix of physick, adlo and lustrate on the MT, unless he gets one shot, it's almost impossible for him to die. Especially since I can aetherflow to keep this cycle going for a long time. WHMs, on the other hand, only have divine seal, presence of mind (long CD), benediction (another long ass CD) and cure 2 to keep an MT up with for an extended fight. Cure 2 notoriously drains a WHMs mana very fast unless the WHM is mixing in cures to proc free cure. Even with shroud, they can't keep up MT healing on a long fight the same way an SCH can.