How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[therpgfanatic]

My 2nd Titan HM clear ever was 5 tanks (3 war, 2 pld), 1 mnk for limit break and 2 healers. Only 2 in the group had relics, the rest were there to get theirs. It was a little slower, but we were still able to break the heart and beat it. The healers *loved* it, because we were so much easier to keep alive than normal dps classes, as we had a lot more health to absorb and recover from mistakes. Tank DPS is fine.

LOL

Video or it didn't happen.

Seriously. Nevermind that tank DPS is so low you'd be struggling to break folk free of stones and take down the heart. And because it takes longer to break people free of stones, you'd be highly, highly unlikely to even shave off half of Titan's heart by the time you freed the first person (never mind the 2nd one he does during that phase).

A party like that isn't even balanced to make the limit break bar increase at a decent pace, so claiming that was your strategy is silly.

The best weapon a PLD could have pre-relic is a HQ Mailbreaker, which I used before I got my relic. I know first hand the damage is pathetic, who are you trying to kid?

[Gilthas]

LOL

Video or it didn't happen.

Seriously. Nevermind that tank DPS is so low you'd be struggling to break folk free of stones and take down the heart.

A party like that isn't even balanced to make the limit break bar increase at a decent pace, so claiming that was your strategy is silly.

The best weapon a PLD could have pre-relic is a HQ Mailbreaker, which I used before I got my relic. The damage is pathetic, who are you trying to kid?

I'm pretty sure I read a topic back in the day (before 2.1) about a group of 5 WARs doing Titan HM because no one wanted to do Titan HM with WARs. So yeah, his post is easily believable.

[Giantbane]

LOL

Video or it didn't happen.

Seriously. Nevermind that tank DPS is so low you'd be struggling to break folk free of stones and take down the heart.

A party like that isn't even balanced to make the limit break bar increase at a decent pace, so claiming that was your strategy is silly.

Obviously I'm lying.

Believe what you want. Tank DPS wasn't a problem whatsoever for breaking stones, and we just auto attacked for P1 to build up the limit break for the heart (2 bars was enough to ensure heart was killed).

Here's a different version:

2 WAR, 4 PLD, 2 healers, no DPS limit break:

http://www.twitch.tv/neamberthal/c/3157588

Maybe you need to not suck? (sorry, you did insist I was making it up)

[therpgfanatic]

Obviously I'm lying.

Believe what you want. Tank DPS wasn't a problem whatsoever for breaking stones, and we just auto attacked for P1 to build up the limit break for the heart (2 bars was enough to ensure heart was killed).

Here's a different version:

2 WAR, 4 PLD, 2 healers, no DPS limit break:

http://www.twitch.tv/neamberthal/c/3157588

Maybe you need to not suck? (sorry, you did insist I was making it up)

Maybe you should watch the videos you link to?

Every character in that video has i90+ gear and +1 relics.

You claimed a scenario where only 2 folks even had a relic, and everyone else was not.

This video is a bunch of totally overgeared people, and even they wiped a few times. That's why the video starts with almost 2 limit bars filled.


Claiming tank DPS is fine so long as you are overgeared for the encounter is absolutely moronic and missing the entire point of this thread.

[Giantbane]

Maybe you should watch the videos you link to?

Every character in that video has i95 gear and +1 relics.

You claimed a scenario where only 2 folks had a relic, and everyone else was not.

This video is a bunch of totally overgeared people, and even they wiped a few times. That's why the video starts with almost 2 limit bars filled.


Claiming tank DPS is fine so long as you are overgeared for the encounter is absolutely moronic and missing the entire point of this thread.

i95 = allagan weapons, how many allagan weapons do you see?

They died? so what. Lots of groups with 5 dps and 1 tank die attempting titan. Does that mean DPS classes are gimp?

And who cares if their gear is better? First, there's a guy in hoplite in there and some are wearing darklight gear with their +1 weapon, so it's not all i90. Second, if tank DPS was so "pathetic" then it wouldn't matter what they had.

It also wasn't a clean run. 1 PLD fell off at 50% and they lost another healer after that. And they got hit by plumes and bombs too. The benefit of them all being tanks is they can live through it (even in sword oath, no defiance) and they're still standing to do DPS.

Did you forget that 6 tanks means no DPS limit break whatsoever. The difference between my group and this group is that we had a monk for the limit break. The only real possible sticking point in this fight for tanks would be not enough DPS to break the heart. By making sure we built up two bars for the LB, we cleared the heart phase easily, even if someone had fallen off the ledge.

As the poster said above, multiple tank groups against titan were a thing before 2.1. As was stated, nobody wanted to bring warriors because PLD were just flat better at staying alive before 2.1 and you don't need 2 tanks for this fight at all. It's very possible whatever you want to believe.

EDIT: i'm also not saying that tank DPS is fine in that they can wholly and totally replace a DPS class. I'm saying it's fine in that they still provide a solid contribution to the group, and yes, when you over gear content, can replace a DPS class that is geared properly to some extent.