How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Probably every SMN in this game gonna tell you they had a blast to tank something with Titan or garuda, is simple, they are in full control, there is no BAD or GOOD titan/garuda pet, only bad smn.

WAR and PLD are real player, they are not a PET job >.> they should not be 100% dependent to healer.

Smn is talking to his friend about his fight:
-Man, my titan died, i used swiftcast and re-summon it and we won the fight.

Healer is talking to his friend about his fight:
-Man, my tank died, i used swiftcast and raised him, and we won the fight.

I mean, seriously, who want to be a PET?

DEV need to do something to the job to make it more interesting, that for sure.

[Talec]

I dont know. My company has now 3 raid groups and in every group we lack DPS and have to search hours before ro fill up the space with randoms. At the same time we have 4 Paladins hoping they can raid with the company if a maintank drops out somhow.

My experience is: while the duty finder the DDs have to wait quite long while as a tank you almost get instant invites, at raid stage it turns and you can find lots of tanks but are on a short supply on DDs.

[Surian]

There's nothing wrong with tanks and they certainly dont need to be made overly elaborate because one person is bored.

The only thing they have still left to do is give Paladin a similar buff that they already gave Warriors. Specifically one that adresses the concern of us only being able to use Flash to keep AoE hate (because Circle of Scorn is useless on such a long recast, make it 2.5 seconds instead of 25 seconds).

[Casper]

There is lot to do as a tank. People saying they can't do anything to influence the battle are just super lazy. It would be like saying blm is boring because all you have to do is spam fire until oom then spam blizzard then repeat. That's one way to play it, but far from optimal.

Well guess what, same is true for tanks. If you just spam 123 or flash and do nothing else, you are doing it wrong. Warriors get 2 buffs to keep up with 2 low enmity generating combos. Pld can use a crapload of stoneskin and riot blades to get some mana back You can also use flash for the blind debuff. Once you have a comfortable lead in enmity, you should always look into what utility you can bring to the party. For challenging content, there is alot to do as a tank. For nonchallenging content, well guess what, it's the same as a dps, if you don't do good dps, who cares ? 123 all the way too bro. Also if the thing you are doing is not challenging enough, make it challenging. If you never have to use a CD or stoneskin for a given encounter as pld, why not go with one healer instead of two and cover for the lack of second healer through your good use of your abilities ? Yeah, that is noticeable.

tl;dr: if you find tank boring, you are probably playing it wrong. The problem is pretty much the interface between the chair and the keyboard, as often.

[Davionx]

There's nothing wrong with tanks and they certainly dont need to be made overly elaborate because one person is bored.

The only thing they have still left to do is give Paladin a similar buff that they already gave Warriors. Specifically one that adresses the concern of us only being able to use Flash to keep AoE hate (because Circle of Scorn is useless on such a long recast, make it 2.5 seconds instead of 25 seconds).

If only all of us could enjoy pressing one hotbar worth of abilities while watching tv or playing another game

[Edellis]

tl;dr


I don't think the problem is in how Tanks in FFXIV play. I think the problem is in how enemies have so much HP that their contribution to the death timer of an enemy is so dreadfully low in comparison to DPS that tanking just feels like a boring slug job. Enemies just have too much HP. If the tank-n-spank process in FFXIV was a bit faster, i dont think we'd have any issues. I say decrease enemy HP by 50%, increase damage and count by 40%, every class feels significantly more powerful, DPS feels alot more squishy, everything moves faster and everyone has more fun!


Leveling my Paladin, unless I have a Thumaturge/Black Mage who is AoE savvy...YES it's definitely boring as hell. You just grab 3 enemies, the healer spams heal on you, and the DPS do all the work. Shield Bash when the enemy casts an AoE. It's dreadfully boring. I wish more Dragoons would use their AoE skills. BLMs who know how to use their AoEs are the BEST thing I can ever get.


It makes the entire battle more interesting. The healer has to stay on their toes, the DPS are dropping all the enemies at once, and i'm on my toes keeping enmity and picking off the weaklings. Everything just feels more significant with AoE.

[juniglee]

Again. This thread isn't about how you think nothing is wrong. It's about making the tank classes more appealing to other players so there will be more people willing to be tanks.

Once again, the only reason people don't play tanks is the responsibility. Not everyone wants to be responsible to guide other players. Not everyone wants to be the first anger victim when something goes wrong. Giving them bigger numbers is nothing, as long as people aren't more forgiving towards tank players in general. Too many times I've seen people who start as a tank, end up playing a healer or something because they cannot deal with insults or even death threats in game.

It's easier to point the finger at someone, than to let people point the finger at you, regardless of whether the reason is justified or not. It's usually the case that people expect perfect execution from the tanks, rather than the other way around.

To hold hate: spam 1,2,3 combo, or flash/overpower on multi adds, if Tank unable to do that, please uninstall the game asap.

Sure. I'll pull Titan and spam 123 while he's facing the party. I'm sure if I can't do that, I should just uninstall the game.

Tanking is more than just 123, there's a lot of other intricate knowledge, ones which you seem to have forgotten.

[Talec]

Tanking is fun because the Footwork as a tank is more chalanging than with every other class. When I see DDs that get hit by an Aoe that spawns every minute once I have to facepalm. As a tank against certain bosses you have to evade AoEs all 15 seconds.

It may be true that our combos are boring. But they can't be more complex because a tank has to master the surroundings to not get hit by everything. That's the fun part of it and not what combos he has to rotate.

[Casper]

Come now seriously -- are we really discussing that dps are more fun to play because they have more buttons to press ?

Not saying they don't if they want to optimize their dps, but as said, i doubt most jobs are way more complicated than tanks. Also if you fucks up, who cares, who notices ? Even if you had access to a dps metter you would not be able to spot such a blob in the sea of data. Now try getting the damage debuff drops on twintania before a death sentence and see if no one notice.

[Cuurad]

<-- Speedrun Haukke HM for Example. Im the Tank, and after the first Boss, theres a part of the House, where i can pull up to 10 Enemys (so Range DPS can cast LB). But 4 or 5 of them doin AOE Attacks, so me the Tank has do evade each damn AOE every sec or two.. THAT Footwork is pretty fun, Love that xD