How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Please refrain from posting. You're in serious danger of lowering the collective forum IQ.

Sorry for hurting your feeling =D Is clear you don't understand my point of view.

You can be good as you want on Tank Class, any bad healer will make it look utter shitty.

"AVERAGE TANK" He stay alive, and lead his party to success.
"BAD TANK" He clueless about the mechanic or clueless about how to pop his CD on right time. (which refer to mechanic)
"GOOD TANK" _____________________________________________________________________________________

DPS can know all the mechanic, and still SUX due to low DMG.
Healer can know all the mechanic and still SUX due to slow reaction and whats not.

Can easy outperform as DPS or Healer, but there is like no option to outperform as a Tank job which make them "AVERAGE" at best.

** I clear Turn 5 every week since 2.0, http://www.twitch.tv/corejh/c/3527166 as PLD or WAR, and yes, i still consider myself as "AVERAGE" at best... That group just manage to have awesome healer.

** Feel free if you want fill up the blank space i left next to good tank.

[eagledorf]

Can easy outperform as DPS or Healer, but there is like no option to outperform as a Tank job which make them "AVERAGE" at best.

Eh, basically if you squeeze the best performance possible out of your job you're good. If a WAR pops IB and/or another cooldown for every Death Sentence, has Storm's Path up constantly, manages Wrath well, and uses/combines his other cooldowns and skills wisely, I would say that's "good". If a WAR pops IB for DS, but once in a blue moon is stuck in GCD or something or pops IB for every one, but loses Storms Path because he didn't watch its duration and was waiting for DS that's probably still fairly good to average.

Similarly for PLD, if he's managing and timing his cooldowns well, using Convalesce early for his Scholar, uses Hallowed Ground or cover at just the right moment, uses Stoneskin and Flash to mitigate things (especially Stoneskin requires like perfect timing) as both MT and OT, and always has Halone up, I would call that a good Paladin. If all he's doing is managing his cooldowns well, that's probably already a fairly good to average PLD.

The same is true for every class. If a DPS is putting out reasonable DPS and doesn't screw up their class mechanics (MP management, DoT uptime, GL, Rotation), that's pretty average. If a DPS is really working to maximize their DPS (timing their cooldowns, being intelligent with their buffs/stances/procs/Aetherflow), that's a good DPS. If a SCH keeps the tank alive that's an average SCH. If they apply a shield, Virus, Sacred Soil, or Eye4Eye just when the party or tank needs it and manage their pet well that's a good SCH. WHM, I don't know the class, but hate management, Regen, Stoneskin, cooldowns, and procs seem to set a good WHM apart.

I do agree with you that both tank classes have a simpler/more scripted set of skills than the DPS or healers, but that doesn't mean that there's not plenty a tank can do to set themselves apart from others.

PLD, despite being simple compared to WAR, can be damn fun. Oop, the MT died...healers don't have swiftcast...Provoke->Hallowed Ground! You may feel free to hard-cast Raise or dick around as you like, healers. Hell, you can actually cycle cooldowns while they heal the off tank and all the way until the other tank recovers from weakness. Of course you're probably screwed at this point, but maybe not.

[XNihili]

Sorry for hurting your feeling =D Is clear you don't understand my point of view.

You can be good as you want on Tank Class, any bad healer will make it look utter shitty.

"AVERAGE TANK" He stay alive, and lead his party to success.
"BAD TANK" He clueless about the mechanic or clueless about how to pop his CD on right time. (which refer to mechanic)
"GOOD TANK" _____________________________________________________________________________________

IMO a good tank has a good knowledge of his party strength and can set the right pace.
He is aware of his surrounding and knows when to use his abilities beside those to keep himself alive.
For example against Siren, stunning or silencing Lunatic Voice will greatly reduce the healer's workload.
Flawlessly keeping hate is not good enough.