How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[Conna]

Tank dps is fine. The reason tank dps appears low is, because your your gear is bad. You also may be comparing yourself to a dps which has several dps cooldowns. The only reasons tanks do nice dmg in some other games (you're probably thinking vengeance in wow) is, because tanks weren't able to hold threat well before then,because dmg was outscaling there threat modifiers and blizzard took the easy way out. So no tanks are fine if you want big dmg play a dps if you want to be the last line of defense between your team and death play tank.

[therpgfanatic]

Tank dps is fine. The reason tank dps appears low is, because your your gear is bad. You also may be comparing yourself to a dps which has several dps cooldowns. The only reasons tanks do nice dmg in some other games (you're probably thinking vengeance in wow) is, because tanks weren't able to hold threat well before then,because dmg was outscaling there threat modifiers and blizzard took the easy way out. So no tanks are fine if you want big dmg play a dps if you want to be the last line of defense between your team and death play tank.

The DPS has been low the entire lifetime I've played a Gladiator. From level 1 unto now. And an extra 6 points of damage on the weapon, and a few more points of STR isn't going to make a huge difference. The problem isn't weapons, it is abilities.

Blizzard didn't take "the easy way out". There was an explosion of new people playing tanks during Wrath of the Lich King because they boosted tank DPS and thereby made the tanking role more enjoyable. I played a Paladin and my brother played a Warrior, and for the first time we actually enjoyed leveling up without needing to respec to a DPS tree and totally regear.

But I don't even have the option to switch to a different tree in FF XIV. If I want to play a tank I have to accept low DPS at all times.

Valk's tables used to show the hate equivalent of 495 potency for WAR and 550 for PLD with the trait. The new ones show 500 for both.

To be honest, I don't trust his actual numbers at all, but you do get the idea that it's roughly the same total enmity generated as an uncomboed Halone. If you're using just Halone (well, not you, I'm really referring to OP), you're basically doing a very inefficient version of spamming flash.

I think you and others are missing the point of what I'm saying about the uncomboed Halone spam.

Flash spamming cannot be maintained because you quickly run out of MP, and then have to do the very low enmity generating Fast Blade, Riot Blade combo.

Halone combo has spikes in it, meaning between Fast Blade and Halone there is a chance of those in higher tiers of gear pulling hate off you.

If you spam uncombed Halone you can get better threat and keep it steady without any opportunities to lose threat to other party members, as you would with the Halone combo or Flash + Fast Blade / Riot Blade combo.

Of course this is also with the normal Spirits Within, Circle of Scorn usage on cooldown, since they dont trigger GCD. It's not like I did nothing but spam Halone.

And this is only when I have people with +20 item levels above me.