How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[Ehayte]

Doesnt mean they know how to play....

: O

Listen, you can just make a macro that says:

/p Hey guys, I'm a new player trying to get some more gear so my initially enmity isn't fantastic, could everyone give me about 5 seconds to get a nice head start before laying into the mob? Thanks guys!

SL>SW>FB>CoS>SB>Rampart>RoH = ftw

I am generally a nice person who sugar coats things, but you are just dead wrong. There is absolutely no reason to change anything regarding tank enmity in this game. Its the iLVL difference. Just get more gear.

[BotenAnna]

No it's not going to fix your enmity problems but it'll be a step up of what you originally had. You'll always have problems keeping enmity if your gear isn't up to par to the DD's.

This isn't necessarily true, if he flashed more and actually comboed his threat abilities or recognized that shield lob is a thing that exists and is good for getting initial hate so that he can build the combo he wouldn't have too many problems. Moreover, DR dungeons aren't so difficult that if the Dragoon decides to just go bananas and pull threat it's even really a problem.

The most important thing for threat is weapon ilevel; the relic questline is super easy and the hardest part of tanking Titan hard mode is finding 5 DPS and 2 healers that won't stand in landslides. If he's not working on that that's what he should be doing.

[therpgfanatic]

Actually the hardest thing about Titan Hard mode is getting the item level so that groups don't instant kick you. I've wasted 2 hours today already getting kicked from even level appropriate things like King Mog and Ifrit because the same elitist snobs keep appearing in the party and kicking me based on my item level.

I have done the quest up to Titan Hard mode. I can't survive the AOE if I dont get more darklight pieces for more HP.

Do me an enormous favor and stop posting accusational crap about how I am a bad player.

[BotenAnna]

If people are kicking you for item level then report them, but I have a feeling it's more because you're failing to do things like comboing rage of halone, using flash, or opening with shield lob (or fight or flight + shield lob) and wasting everyone's time by causing wipes because the healer pulled aggro casting cure.

It's OK to be a bad player, we're all bads at some point, but you're worse than a bad player. You're wrong and stubborn and mean to people who point out why you're wrong and what you should do to fix it. The solution to your problems isn't to retcon a bunch of godmode abilities with FF6 names, it is to listen to people telling you how to be good at the game, then executing.

[therpgfanatic]

I'm not being mean to you by not thanking you for telling me something you read off a guide someone else created, and that I have said several times I am already aware of and taken the time to deeply explain why it's not working in the particular circumstances.

This is why people don't want to be tanks. Even other tanks can be frustrating to talk to about things they didn't personally impact them. You've been around since 1.0 with all your legacy levels and gear, so your experience is different from someone who started recently.

[Xandim]

Actually the hardest thing about Titan Hard mode is getting the item level so that groups don't instant kick you. I've wasted 2 hours today already getting kicked from even level appropriate things like King Mog and Ifrit because the same elitist snobs keep appearing in the party and kicking me based on my item level.

I have done the quest up to Titan Hard mode. I can't survive the AOE if I dont get more darklight pieces for more HP.

Do me an enormous favor and stop posting accusational crap about how I am a bad player.

You seem to have the mentality that "you dont need good equips to tank" but you actually DO. IIRC, threat is heavily dependant on your weapon's auto atack status. Your current weapon (assuming you didnt get a new one) is 29.38, while a Curtana +0 is 34.03. That alone is enough to increase your threat generation BIG time. There are no excuses for equips. You as a tank has a near insta-queue on dungeons. Main Scenario Duty Roulette nets you 300 philosophy tomes everyday, Crystal Tower nets you 200 EACH run. Just by doing it once a day you have 500 philosohy tomes (even more if you do CT more times). You should take advantage and do Crystal Tower, since, besides Bone Dragon (and maybe that iron giant boss) the whole fight doesnt need 6 HEAVILY equiped tanks. Hell, in most fights they dont even need that many tanks at all. If you do that, in 2... maybe 3 days you have enough for a full darklight set.

I don't think you are a bad player but you cant go in with ilv50 gear and expect to tank from ilv85+ people, you just can't. As for the rage of halone thinguie, there IS some truth in your words. If you shield lob for that initial threat, then Flash and use 1 or 2 rage of halones out of the combo is enough to keep hate long enough so you can build aggro (using the FULL combo) on the boss.

What im trying to say is: you are not a bad player ( I can only assume, since we never played together), you just need better equips.

I'm not being mean to you by not thanking you for telling me something you read off a guide someone else created, and that I have said several times I am already aware of and taken the time to deeply explain why it's not working in the particular circumstances.

This is why people don't want to be tanks. Even other tanks can be frustrating to talk to about things they didn't personally impact them. You've been around since 1.0 with all your legacy levels and gear, so your experience is different from someone who started recently.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I started playing on 2.0 and didn't have the issues you did (even tho im legacy, i never played much 1.0, besides, they are both completely different games). When I was having issue tanking is because I was wearing ilv38 gear (when I was lv50) and ilv50 weapon and people already had ifrit/garuda (or even relic). But once I started getting better gear, that started to affect less and less.

[BotenAnna]

I just levelled a new character on a second account as a tank (WAR) and got to 50 and finished a relic and even killed some extremes within the free trial period, so I know it's possible, and way easier now than it was in 1.0 or even 2.0.

It turned out that being fundamentally good at tanking and understanding how my abilities worked was more important than ilevel to clear content. Believe it or not, you CAN do Titan X at i70 you just have to execute.

[NeroMD]

This isn't necessarily true, if he flashed more and actually comboed his threat abilities or recognized that shield lob is a thing that exists and is good for getting initial hate so that he can build the combo he wouldn't have too many problems.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the start of the fight. DPS can catch up on Titan hard if the tank is undergeared, The longer the fight goes. the easier it is for an undergeared tank to keep enmity when a DRG pops in elusive jump for example. But yeah, I'm pretty much done here.

[Sypherblade]

What if they just stuck to the original idea of classes being for solo play...and jobs for group play. Making GLD and MRD damage dealing roles and once they equip their job stones...it drastically changes their skills to generate more threat and do less damage? That way the road to 1-50 would be a different experience then it is today.

[therpgfanatic]

You seem to have the mentality that "you dont need good equips to tank" but you actually DO. IIRC, threat is heavily dependant on your weapon's auto atack status. Your current weapon (assuming you didnt get a new one) is 29.38, while a Curtana +0 is 34.03. That alone is enough to increase your threat generation BIG time. There are no excuses for equips. You as a tank has a near insta-queue on dungeons. Main Scenario Duty Roulette nets you 300 philosophy tomes everyday, Crystal Tower nets you 200 EACH run. Just by doing it once a day you have 500 philosohy tomes (even more if you do CT more times). You should take advantage and do Crystal Tower, since, besides Bone Dragon (and maybe that iron giant boss) the whole fight doesnt need 6 HEAVILY equiped tanks. Hell, in most fights they dont even need that many tanks at all. If you do that, in 2... maybe 3 days you have enough for a full darklight set.

I don't think you are a bad player but you cant go in with ilv50 gear and expect to tank from ilv85+ people, you just can't. As for the rage of halone thinguie, there IS some truth in your words. If you shield lob for that initial threat, then Flash and use 1 or 2 rage of halones out of the combo is enough to keep hate long enough so you can build aggro (using the FULL combo) on the boss.

What im trying to say is: you are not a bad player ( I can only assume, since we never played together), you just need better equips.

I don't have the mentality I don't need better equips.

I have the mentality that I have no control over the Duty Finder throwing me in with i90 folks and expecting me to tank for them.

I didn't design party finder to throw in item lv 50-60 folks in with i90 ones. SE did and they are the ones who have to fix the disparity problem.

And see, I'm of the vocal minority who is posting about the problem. The majority of people experiencing these issues usually just re-roll to a different class or quit the game entirely ( which tends to be easy when you can return to a max lv chara you have in whatever other MMO you also play).

What if they just stuck to the original idea of classes being for solo play...and jobs for group play. Making GLD and MRD damage dealing roles and once they equip their job stones...it drastically changes their skills to generate more threat and do less damage? That way the road to 1-50 would be a different experience then it is today.

That might be a good solution, too.