How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[jwang]

400 on a Halone is perfectly doable on dungeon mobs without any buffs and in Sword Oath. In Shield Oath, with FoF up you can hit up to 400. On Asclepius add, with 4 stacks, you can even break 1k! Anyways, if you're finding tanking boring, you should play something else or find a different way to play. Pull more adds, maximize your DPS, add additional cross-class DPS skills, sneak in Stoneskins in between ability casts; there's plenty to do as a tank.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

This is also the reason i keep saying: there is no "GOOD TANK".

Average one = they know what they are doing.
BAD one = they have no clue how the game work.

Any good/PRO healer will make the BAD one look "AVERAGE TANK", in fact they are still bad....
Any average healer will make the average one look "AVERAGE TANK", in fact they are still average....
Any good/PRO healer will make the Average one look "GODLIKE TANK", in fact they are still only average...

[Pr0c3ss0r]

There is no way to feel powerful as a Tank, you can dodge all the AoE, pop all CD in the right time, it be ruined by a bad healer and you still going to hit the floor. The best you can do is yell at him, then it come to an argument about who is bad... is it the Tank or the healer? Who come first EGG or Chicken? Pointless as hell.

The Job should not depend that much on healer. Hey, am a godlike tank, but healer are holding my BALL, RARW!! i mean seriously. Is unquestionable why Tank class is so boring and sad to play.

Give PLD some healing power, at least to keep himself alive, add more random dmg to DPS to keep healer job busy, problem solve, everyone happy. Now you can have super good tank, average tank that require healer attention and Bad tank that have no clue how to play his job.

A good healer can keep a BAD tank alive, they just need to be PRO.
The best tank in the world simply can't stay alive with a BAD healer, i think that enough said.

[juniglee]

A good healer can keep a BAD tank alive, they just need to be PRO.
The best tank in the world simply can't stay alive with a BAD healer, i think that enough said.

Brayflox disagrees with this statement.

Go on, try the bad tank/good healer combo, and the good tank/bad healer combo. Let me know which one you have a higher failure rate with.

The Job should not depend that much on healer.

Oh gee, like how the healer depends on the tank to not let mobs run to him? Hmmmm...if I didn't know any better, I thought this was a team game.

Is unquestionable why Tank class is so boring and sad to play.

I enjoy playing my tank, I really do. Seems like you don't take pride playing a tank, so why are you even talking like you represent the tank population?

Sounds like you just had bad experiences with bad healers. I've never had such a problem, and I always feel powerful as long as I'm alive. The longer I'm alive, the more powerful I feel. Such is what my job is meant to do.

[therpgfanatic]

I enjoy playing my tank, I really do. Seems like you don't take pride playing a tank, so why are you even talking like you represent the tank population?

It's great that you, personally, are happy with tanks. It's not like anyone is calling it badfun.

I keep reminding people this thread is about making tanks more fun so that OTHER people want to play them.

I and others have listed the things we personally dislike about the class. If you don't share that sentiment, thats fine. But don't think that just because you are satisfied that means nothing should be changed.

The majority of FF XIV players don't want to be tanks. I believe it's largely because of the way they play, and not necessarily about the stress of being a tank. There are plenty of healers and healing is a high stress role, too.

Again. This thread isn't about how you think nothing is wrong. It's about making the tank classes more appealing to other players so there will be more people willing to be tanks.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Probably every SMN in this game gonna tell you they had a blast to tank something with Titan or garuda, is simple, they are in full control, there is no BAD or GOOD titan/garuda pet, only bad smn.

WAR and PLD are real player, they are not a PET job >.> they should not be 100% dependent to healer.

Smn is talking to his friend about his fight:
-Man, my titan died, i used swiftcast and re-summon it and we won the fight.

Healer is talking to his friend about his fight:
-Man, my tank died, i used swiftcast and raised him, and we won the fight.

I mean, seriously, who want to be a PET?

DEV need to do something to the job to make it more interesting, that for sure.

[juniglee]

Again. This thread isn't about how you think nothing is wrong. It's about making the tank classes more appealing to other players so there will be more people willing to be tanks.

Once again, the only reason people don't play tanks is the responsibility. Not everyone wants to be responsible to guide other players. Not everyone wants to be the first anger victim when something goes wrong. Giving them bigger numbers is nothing, as long as people aren't more forgiving towards tank players in general. Too many times I've seen people who start as a tank, end up playing a healer or something because they cannot deal with insults or even death threats in game.

It's easier to point the finger at someone, than to let people point the finger at you, regardless of whether the reason is justified or not. It's usually the case that people expect perfect execution from the tanks, rather than the other way around.

To hold hate: spam 1,2,3 combo, or flash/overpower on multi adds, if Tank unable to do that, please uninstall the game asap.

Sure. I'll pull Titan and spam 123 while he's facing the party. I'm sure if I can't do that, I should just uninstall the game.

Tanking is more than just 123, there's a lot of other intricate knowledge, ones which you seem to have forgotten.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Sure. I'll pull Titan and spam 123 while he's facing the party.

Again, uninstall the game asap if you that stupid. At first, your argument was about PLD holding hate, i told you how easy it is, now you talk to me about Obvious stuff like that. This is not anymore how GOOD a PLD can be, but how stupid a pld can be.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Oh gee, like how the healer depends on the tank to not let mobs run to him? Hmmmm...if I didn't know any better, I thought this was a team game.

To hold hate: spam 1,2,3 combo, or flash/overpower on multi adds, if Tank unable to do that, please uninstall the game asap.

[Talec]

I dont know. My company has now 3 raid groups and in every group we lack DPS and have to search hours before ro fill up the space with randoms. At the same time we have 4 Paladins hoping they can raid with the company if a maintank drops out somhow.

My experience is: while the duty finder the DDs have to wait quite long while as a tank you almost get instant invites, at raid stage it turns and you can find lots of tanks but are on a short supply on DDs.