How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[therpgfanatic]

I enjoy playing my tank, I really do. Seems like you don't take pride playing a tank, so why are you even talking like you represent the tank population?

It's great that you, personally, are happy with tanks. It's not like anyone is calling it badfun.

I keep reminding people this thread is about making tanks more fun so that OTHER people want to play them.

I and others have listed the things we personally dislike about the class. If you don't share that sentiment, thats fine. But don't think that just because you are satisfied that means nothing should be changed.

The majority of FF XIV players don't want to be tanks. I believe it's largely because of the way they play, and not necessarily about the stress of being a tank. There are plenty of healers and healing is a high stress role, too.

Again. This thread isn't about how you think nothing is wrong. It's about making the tank classes more appealing to other players so there will be more people willing to be tanks.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Probably every SMN in this game gonna tell you they had a blast to tank something with Titan or garuda, is simple, they are in full control, there is no BAD or GOOD titan/garuda pet, only bad smn.

WAR and PLD are real player, they are not a PET job >.> they should not be 100% dependent to healer.

Smn is talking to his friend about his fight:
-Man, my titan died, i used swiftcast and re-summon it and we won the fight.

Healer is talking to his friend about his fight:
-Man, my tank died, i used swiftcast and raised him, and we won the fight.

I mean, seriously, who want to be a PET?

DEV need to do something to the job to make it more interesting, that for sure.

[juniglee]

Again. This thread isn't about how you think nothing is wrong. It's about making the tank classes more appealing to other players so there will be more people willing to be tanks.

Once again, the only reason people don't play tanks is the responsibility. Not everyone wants to be responsible to guide other players. Not everyone wants to be the first anger victim when something goes wrong. Giving them bigger numbers is nothing, as long as people aren't more forgiving towards tank players in general. Too many times I've seen people who start as a tank, end up playing a healer or something because they cannot deal with insults or even death threats in game.

It's easier to point the finger at someone, than to let people point the finger at you, regardless of whether the reason is justified or not. It's usually the case that people expect perfect execution from the tanks, rather than the other way around.

To hold hate: spam 1,2,3 combo, or flash/overpower on multi adds, if Tank unable to do that, please uninstall the game asap.

Sure. I'll pull Titan and spam 123 while he's facing the party. I'm sure if I can't do that, I should just uninstall the game.

Tanking is more than just 123, there's a lot of other intricate knowledge, ones which you seem to have forgotten.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Sure. I'll pull Titan and spam 123 while he's facing the party.

Again, uninstall the game asap if you that stupid. At first, your argument was about PLD holding hate, i told you how easy it is, now you talk to me about Obvious stuff like that. This is not anymore how GOOD a PLD can be, but how stupid a pld can be.

[juniglee]

Again, uninstall the game asap if you that stupid. At first, your argument was about PLD holding hate, i told you how easy it is, now you talk to me about Obvious stuff like that. This is not anymore how GOOD a PLD can be, but how stupid a pld can be.

Tanking is more than just 123, there's a lot of other intricate knowledge, ones which you seem to have forgotten.

^Yet you've oh so conveniently decided to somehow oversee that statement above. Wasn't your argument simply spamming 123/flash/overpower?

[Pr0c3ss0r]

^Yet you've oh so conveniently decided to somehow oversee that statement above. Wasn't your argument simply spamming 123/flash/overpower?

Oh gee, like how the healer depends on the tank to not let mobs run to him?

It was obvious you were talking about holding aggro, and i simply stated how easy that part was, and yet the next part you telling me is even more easy for people with half a brain.

Simple as DPS or healer shouldn't be in between a PLD and Monster. I don't even know why we even talking about that as it is so simple mechanic.

[juniglee]

It was obvious you were talking about holding aggro, and i simply stated how easy that part was, and yet the next part you telling me is even more easy for people with half a brain.

Simple as DPS or healer shouldn't be in between a PLD and Monster. I don't even know why we even talking about that as it is so simple mechanic.

Because holding aggro is the be all end all of playing tank, amirite? Nothing else I should be concerned about, like stunning AoEs, TP management, and the like. They're all such simple mechanics! I press 123, and everything magically happens!

Maybe you should watch the videos you link to?

Every character in that video has i90+ gear and +1 relics.

You claimed a scenario where only 2 folks even had a relic, and everyone else was not.

This video is a bunch of totally overgeared people, and even they wiped a few times. That's why the video starts with almost 2 limit bars filled.

Claiming tank DPS is fine so long as you are overgeared for the encounter is absolutely moronic and missing the entire point of this thread.

How about Titan Extreme then? Would Titan Extreme have any imaginary "gear cap" you've decided to set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9fE2o0C8qc

1 PLD, 1 WAR, 3 MRD, 1 BLM, 1 WHM, 1 SCH

Regarding his Titan HM thing. Yes you can do it with all that. If I had to bring a Warrior into Titan HM pre-2.1, they'd wear DPS gear and just act as a second DPS. Just like in the video I linked, they had a BLM just for LB during Gaolers, Giantsbane's group had a melee DPS to LB the heart.

[Pr0c3ss0r]

I press 123, and everything magically happens!

Pretty much that yes. Sad ikr? Stun is optional in many case, so is silence, many time is not even required or someone else can perfectly do it too. Positioning is important as much for Tank as it is for healer and DPS, so there is no special skill there, that called Mechanic, it have nothing to do with Tank skill. (Player skill at best, but nothing to do with Tank skill)

So let put it this way, have a tank that know how to position monster (something simple as hell), have him press 1,2,3 macro, and baam, you can win Turn 5, that be just more work for healer with Adloquium / SS / Virus / eye for an eye and so on.

Do i really need to make a video to prove my point?

**Edit: not saying that be mega easy =D, but that would prove that healer make 70% of the work out there, and even a BAD tank with at least the knowledge of mechanic can lead it to the win.

**Edit2: PLD don't always have a CD up for every Death Sentence (every 35 sec), and that not making them die every time is not up, that be sad for turn 5. At best, CD help the healer to save mana or help the healer to stay a bit more relax, but that not what saving a PLD, not even close to be the case.

**Edit 3: If PLD are considered good base on they knowledge of the fight / mechanic, i know many DPS with lv1 PLD that are good PLD. Again, it have nothing to do with PLD skill. I could only agree on WAR job because they combo are more complex and there a lots of space to mess up, but again, they are on healer mercy, they can be good at they combo, it wont change much with a bad healer.

[therpgfanatic]

How about Titan Extreme then? Would Titan Extreme have any imaginary "gear cap" you've decided to set?

What does that even have to do with the frustrations of new players leveling a Gladiator, which causes them to drop the class and reroll as a non-tank?

It took me about 100 hours of game time to take a Gladiator from 1 to 50, without any of the 50% XP bonus from already having a lv50, and while doing the story mode. During that entire time, it was boring and felt slow as hell fighting. Sure, I only had to kill 5-10 enemies per quest but that is beside the point. It's not a very fun class to play leveling up, at all, and the low DPS is part of why its not fun.

You keep missing the point of this thread. Are you just here to troll or what? I mean really, your only examples involve characters who have 20-30 item levels above the content.