How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[therpgfanatic]

Actually you do, you complain that you cant hold aggro when you have crappy gear over people who have way better gear than you, than you propose changes that would make you generate more threat. Guess what? Duty Finder is meant to help people find groups with no restriction. If you want people with ilv50~60 then make a Party Finder for that. Other than that, I already gave you a partial solution for your equip problem. One roulette and 2 or 3 CT a day, in a couple of days, will net you a full darklight set, making you at least ilv70. Titan HM is nowhere as difficult as it was today (mostly because people can be waaaay overgeared for the encounter). DL is enough for you to pass Titan HM even if you gonna MT it. And then you can always join a FC (if you didnt join one yet) and ask for help with Titan.
This is all starting to sound like whining. "I cant hold aggro with my ilv50 gear from ilv90 gear, so SE needs to buff up PLD".

And maybe.... just MAYBE you are the minority because everyone else either, like you said, jump to another class, go back to their high lv in another MMO, OR they man/woman up, realize they are the ones wrong, and either go farm roulette/CT for DL gear and possibly an ilv80 piece of equipment.

You gotta start someday somewhere... =P
Try the low lv dungeons, to get a feel of the job and responsability. Try to go with friends and let them know that you wanna play as a tank, but might suck at it in the beginning. If you turn out to be good, your friends will be happy too, cause everyone can use a good tank. And if you turn out to be crappy at tank, at least you can say "well, at least I tried" and you can understand tank better too.

Again, you blaming the player for the short-comings of a system. This will not result in more people playing tanks, as my solutions would.

If a tank can enter the encounter then according to the game's design, the tank should have the item level that the encounter is designed for.

A tank should not need to run story mode constantly to jump from i50 to i70 in one go, solely because it is throwing the tank into parties with top tier geared players. Furthermore the i90 people appear in the story mode Duty Finder, too so that doesn't solve the problem at all.

And telling the tank to not use Duty Finder for the precise purpose it was created for is not a solution.

There is a problem here. It needs fixing.

I thought your suggestions were really great, actually.

I'm intimidated to play a tank class because I don't want people to yell at me, dare I mess up. A lot of the reason there's a lack of tanks is due to the large responsibility and other douchey players judging their every move.

I appreciate your post. And as you can see in this thread, there are a lot of players quick to blame the other player for issues the game design has, rather than think critically about whether the system needs improvements.

At this point I'm basically repeating myself, as more people come into the thread saying the same things and not reading the whole thread. Hopefully SE does something good with the feedback. There is a lot to love about this game and I want to see it keep getting better.

I'm at my post cap for today so I'm gonna respond to the post made below here.

So let me get this straight: there is NOTHING you can do on your own to improve your gameplay? The ONLY solution available is for Yoshi to buff up PLD because YOU want?

I didn't say to NOT use the duty finder, but if you use the DF you gotta be prepared for everything. Dont want that? Start a party for ilv50~60. Roulette bonus is only ONCE a day so no, you wont run the story dungeon constantly. Crystal Tower should be the next dungeon for progression after you get you ilv70 gear (DarkLight).
Still feel like whining to me..... Do ONE roulette, 2 crystal tower. How is that "running story mode constantly"?

Dude, how many times do I have to say it?

Yoshi wants more tanks. Tanks have a lot of frustrating aspects about them no other role has. The game needs improvements if there are going to be more players willing to play a tank, end of story.

And who the heck is gonna let a fresh 50 go do Crystal Tower? Plus it's a quest chain just to unlock it.

You keep acting as if I personally am sitting here twiddling my thumbs complaining on forums and waiting for things to change. I have Darklight gear. I have all but Titan HD done for the relic quest.

And it's not like I will forget how being a pre-50 tank and a new 50 tank was like when I am fully geared. It wont change the experience for those who come after me either.

This thread is a perfect demonstration of why most of the community doesn't want to be a tank.

[Xandim]

Again, you blaming the player for the short-comings of a system. This will not result in more people playing tanks, as my solutions would.

If a tank can enter the encounter then according to the game's design, the tank should have the item level that the encounter is designed for.

A tank should not need to run story mode constantly to jump from i50 to i70 in one go, solely because it is throwing the tank into parties with top tier geared players. Furthermore the i90 people appear in the story mode Duty Finder, too so that doesn't solve the problem at all.

And telling the tank to not use Duty Finder for the precise purpose it was created for is not a solution.

There is a problem here. It needs fixing.



I appreciate your post. And as you can see in this thread, there are a lot of players quick to blame the other player for issues the game design has, rather than think critically about whether the system needs improvements.

So let me get this straight: there is NOTHING you can do on your own to improve your gameplay? The ONLY solution available is for Yoshi to buff up PLD because YOU want?

I didn't say to NOT use the duty finder, but if you use the DF you gotta be prepared for everything. Dont want that? Start a party for ilv50~60. Roulette bonus is only ONCE a day so no, you wont run the story dungeon constantly. Crystal Tower should be the next dungeon for progression after you get you ilv70 gear (DarkLight).
Still feel like whining to me..... Do ONE roulette, 2 crystal tower. How is that "running story mode constantly"?

[lxSch]

A tank should not need to run story mode constantly to jump from i50 to i70 in one go, solely because it is throwing the tank into parties with top tier geared players. Furthermore the i90 people appear in the story mode Duty Finder, too so that doesn't solve the problem at all.
And who the heck is gonna let a fresh 50 go do Crystal Tower?

I found the easiest way to i90 is to unlock AK and WP only and run the daily high roulette for 70 myth in 40 min - both inst are easy and nearly failproof. I did many runs with tankers who could not hold aggro and it went fine. Having a +1 relic dps is a big advantage there - they will burst mobs 1 by 1 and speed up the run; if they go full aoe mode - i just stop healing them, if they rage quit - ok, dps replacement is instant.

[ShigMan]

OP, I do not understand how you arrived at your conclusion. I read your post, and I just do not understand the changes you want to make. Can you please break them down for plebians such as myself who have only tanked up to Twintania?