How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[therpgfanatic]

Having a GC weapon is what's generally holding you back. If you spammed Ifrit Hard you would already have a somewhat decent weapon to hold you over until your Relic Quest. It's not the job itself, Yes it's harder to hold enmity as a Paladin if you're severely undergeared compared to the rest but if that is an issue to you. You should consider prioritizing yourself on fights that help you obtain better gear or spend gil on obtaining the higher Ilvl weapons/armor.

Again, you are blaming the player. I have been running Ifrit Hard for 4 hours a day as a stun whore off-tank. But when DPS don't take down nails it drags the process out.

I have read all the guides. There is not a single solitary thing you can say that comes from the guides that I don't already know and have been following. Stop insulting my intelligence and listen to what I am saying.

Besides. I have serious doubts that an item lv 60 weapon is going to magically fix threat issues against item 90 folks.

PS. The Thornmarch weapon is better than the Garuda weapon and easier to run than Ifrit. Only problem I've had is lots of people don't know the kill order.

[XNihili]

Again, blaming the player. I have been running Ifrit Hard for 4 hours a day as a stun whore off-tank. But when DPS don't take down nails it drags the process out.

If the DPS can't take down the nails, it just means they aren't overgearing you ...
Anyway it's a MMORPG, like multiplayer ... If you and your party can't communicate to build a strategy to succeed, there are nothing the developers can do to help you beside nerfing the contents to Kingdom come ...

[therpgfanatic]

If the DPS can't take down the nails, it just means they aren't overgearing you ...
Anyway it's a MMORPG, like multiplayer ... If you and your party can't communicate to build a strategy to succeed, there are nothing the developers can do to help you beside nerfing the contents to Kingdom come ...

It's not "cant take down nails". It's not "all DPS are attacking the nails".

They have the gear. A lot of people gear their DPS from whoever was their main. Doesnt mean they know how to play, or that some believe they can ignore their job and let someone else do it.

[XNihili]

It's not "cant take down nails". It's not "all DPS are attacking the nails".

They have the gear. A lot of people gear their DPS from whoever was their main. Doesnt mean they know how to play, or that some believe they can ignore their job and let someone else do it.

Then unless they are trolling and not willing to win the fight, ask them to kill the nails, set marks and go hit them too ...

[Miitan]

It's not "cant take down nails". It's not "all DPS are attacking the nails".

They have the gear. A lot of people gear their DPS from whoever was their main. Doesnt mean they know how to play, or that some believe they can ignore their job and let someone else do it.

Welcome to "bad players exist in MMOs". This has nothing to do with Paladin's tanking ability though.

I get the feeling this thread has turned into a general rant about stuff, in which case "WHY CAN'T I GET MORE MYTHS EVERY WEEK!?"

[Ehayte]

Doesnt mean they know how to play....

: O

Listen, you can just make a macro that says:

/p Hey guys, I'm a new player trying to get some more gear so my initially enmity isn't fantastic, could everyone give me about 5 seconds to get a nice head start before laying into the mob? Thanks guys!

SL>SW>FB>CoS>SB>Rampart>RoH = ftw

I am generally a nice person who sugar coats things, but you are just dead wrong. There is absolutely no reason to change anything regarding tank enmity in this game. Its the iLVL difference. Just get more gear.

[NeroMD]

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Since when was I insulting your intelligence? You stated spamming halone without combo is better than a complete combo. You stated that the 10% Damage debuff is pointless because you can dodge AOE's and you have your defensive cooldowns. Which is completely incorrect. You're basically blaming the job of your enmity problems rather than the I-level difference.

No it's not going to fix your enmity problems but it'll be a step up of what you originally had. You'll always have problems keeping enmity if your gear isn't up to par to the DD's.

[BotenAnna]

No it's not going to fix your enmity problems but it'll be a step up of what you originally had. You'll always have problems keeping enmity if your gear isn't up to par to the DD's.

This isn't necessarily true, if he flashed more and actually comboed his threat abilities or recognized that shield lob is a thing that exists and is good for getting initial hate so that he can build the combo he wouldn't have too many problems. Moreover, DR dungeons aren't so difficult that if the Dragoon decides to just go bananas and pull threat it's even really a problem.

The most important thing for threat is weapon ilevel; the relic questline is super easy and the hardest part of tanking Titan hard mode is finding 5 DPS and 2 healers that won't stand in landslides. If he's not working on that that's what he should be doing.

[therpgfanatic]

Actually the hardest thing about Titan Hard mode is getting the item level so that groups don't instant kick you. I've wasted 2 hours today already getting kicked from even level appropriate things like King Mog and Ifrit because the same elitist snobs keep appearing in the party and kicking me based on my item level.

I have done the quest up to Titan Hard mode. I can't survive the AOE if I dont get more darklight pieces for more HP.

Do me an enormous favor and stop posting accusational crap about how I am a bad player.

[Xandim]

Actually the hardest thing about Titan Hard mode is getting the item level so that groups don't instant kick you. I've wasted 2 hours today already getting kicked from even level appropriate things like King Mog and Ifrit because the same elitist snobs keep appearing in the party and kicking me based on my item level.

I have done the quest up to Titan Hard mode. I can't survive the AOE if I dont get more darklight pieces for more HP.

Do me an enormous favor and stop posting accusational crap about how I am a bad player.

You seem to have the mentality that "you dont need good equips to tank" but you actually DO. IIRC, threat is heavily dependant on your weapon's auto atack status. Your current weapon (assuming you didnt get a new one) is 29.38, while a Curtana +0 is 34.03. That alone is enough to increase your threat generation BIG time. There are no excuses for equips. You as a tank has a near insta-queue on dungeons. Main Scenario Duty Roulette nets you 300 philosophy tomes everyday, Crystal Tower nets you 200 EACH run. Just by doing it once a day you have 500 philosohy tomes (even more if you do CT more times). You should take advantage and do Crystal Tower, since, besides Bone Dragon (and maybe that iron giant boss) the whole fight doesnt need 6 HEAVILY equiped tanks. Hell, in most fights they dont even need that many tanks at all. If you do that, in 2... maybe 3 days you have enough for a full darklight set.

I don't think you are a bad player but you cant go in with ilv50 gear and expect to tank from ilv85+ people, you just can't. As for the rage of halone thinguie, there IS some truth in your words. If you shield lob for that initial threat, then Flash and use 1 or 2 rage of halones out of the combo is enough to keep hate long enough so you can build aggro (using the FULL combo) on the boss.

What im trying to say is: you are not a bad player ( I can only assume, since we never played together), you just need better equips.

I'm not being mean to you by not thanking you for telling me something you read off a guide someone else created, and that I have said several times I am already aware of and taken the time to deeply explain why it's not working in the particular circumstances.

This is why people don't want to be tanks. Even other tanks can be frustrating to talk to about things they didn't personally impact them. You've been around since 1.0 with all your legacy levels and gear, so your experience is different from someone who started recently.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I started playing on 2.0 and didn't have the issues you did (even tho im legacy, i never played much 1.0, besides, they are both completely different games). When I was having issue tanking is because I was wearing ilv38 gear (when I was lv50) and ilv50 weapon and people already had ifrit/garuda (or even relic). But once I started getting better gear, that started to affect less and less.