How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

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The reason only 5% of the game population is willing to be a tank is three-fold

You can't write an essay based on facts you made up.

[ZephyrK]

You can't write an essay based on facts you made up.

I have a level 50 MNK, WHM, BRD, PLD, and WAR. I only play my paladin very rarely, and usually for map hunting with friends. Where do I fit into your graph?

I will give you that he sort of pulled that number out of thin air, but I do not think that graph encompasses what really matters. What matters is who actively plays (and queues) as a tank on a regular basis.

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Also, wtf is "other?"

[reality_check]

I have a level 50 MNK, WHM, BRD, PLD, and WAR. I only play my paladin very rarely, and usually for map hunting with friends. Where do I fit into your graph?

I will give you that he sort of pulled that number out of thin air, but I do not think that graph encompasses what really matters. What matters is who actively plays (and queues) as a tank on a regular basis.

EDIT:

Also, wtf is "other?"

You will be whatever job you were playing at the time of that snapshot. So, probably not paladin.

[LineageRazor]

You can't write an essay based on facts you made up.

I don't trust this chart. By the numbers written, folks shouldn't have to wait as long as they do for a Tank to queue up in Duty Finder - if anything, the bottleneck should be the healer. That is clearly not the case.

My guess is that these numbers are skewed by the fact that it includes folks who have leveled tanking jobs but says nothing about whether they PLAY those tanking jobs. Someone who has PLD 50 but only ever plays as DRG 50 is not a tank.

[Tiggy]

I don't trust this chart. By the numbers written, folks shouldn't have to wait as long as they do for a Tank to queue up in Duty Finder - if anything, the bottleneck should be the healer. That is clearly not the case.

My guess is that these numbers are skewed by the fact that it includes folks who have leveled tanking jobs but says nothing about whether they PLAY those tanking jobs. Someone who has PLD 50 but only ever plays as DRG 50 is not a tank.

On what grounds do you think the bottleneck should be healer? If the server is 20% tank, 21% healer, and the rest is DPS, then we would still more often than not run into a tank shortage. The gap doesn't need to be large for it to be the main shortage. You don't trust a chart, which is based on actual data SE had on their servers, yet them you throw out nothing but opinions as if it is more factual. I'm more inclined to believe a chart made up of actual data instead of your assumptions any day of the week.

[LineageRazor]

On what grounds do you think the bottleneck should be healer? If the server is 20% tank, 21% healer, and the rest is DPS, then we would still more often than not run into a tank shortage. The gap doesn't need to be large for it to be the main shortage. You don't trust a chart, which is based on actual data SE had on their servers, yet them you throw out nothing but opinions as if it is more factual. I'm more inclined to believe a chart made up of actual data instead of your assumptions any day of the week.

On the grounds of THIS CHART. I'm basing my assumptions on the chart, which I clearly stated is NOT a correct representation of the actual population of jobs that people play on a regular basis. The CHART says DD 51%, Tank 23%, Healer 20% - hence, healers are the bottleneck BY THIS CHART. This is clearly not the case in-game, where healers regularly have to wait for queues, and tanks rarely do.

As for opinions, it's not hard to see from experience that yes, tanks get into queues instantly, and healers have to wait a short while, as I play both WHM and PLD. DD's do enough complaining on the forums to make it clear that the queues are worst of all for them. So, yes, this chart is clearly not usable as proof that there's no queue problem. All very tidy empirical data, accumulated through first-hand experience and second-hand reports.

[Tiggy]

On the grounds of THIS CHART. I'm basing my assumptions on the chart, which I clearly stated is NOT a correct representation of the actual population of jobs that people play on a regular basis. The CHART says DD 51%, Tank 23%, Healer 20% - hence, healers are the bottleneck BY THIS CHART. This is clearly not the case in-game, where healers regularly have to wait for queues, and tanks rarely do.

As for opinions, it's not hard to see from experience that yes, tanks get into queues instantly, and healers have to wait a short while, as I play both WHM and PLD. DD's do enough complaining on the forums to make it clear that the queues are worst of all for them. So, yes, this chart is clearly not usable as proof that there's no queue problem. All very tidy empirical data, accumulated through first-hand experience and second-hand reports.

That number is also many months old. It's not really useful to diagnose today's experiences.

[lxSch]

You can't write an essay based on facts you made up.

It looks like there are more than enough tanks, while "Other" class is really underplayed - SE should make it much more fun to play.
But, there is no "Other" role in duty finder, so noone cares. Those who play dps have a lot of time to write text walls while waiting for duty to pop up.