How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[juniglee]

So what you're saying is, the damage dealt by Spirits Within will change depending on how much HP you have?

If you didn't know this, yes it does. Damage dealt is proportional to amount of HP the PLD has when it is used.

To be fair, I've never ever thought that the Potency changing of Spirits Within was ever a problem. I simply use it as an off-GCD skill for extra damage, whatever it's worth, and for the Silence portion of the ability. If I wanted to worry about damage dealt, I'd be playing a Dragoon/Monk/Bard/Black Mage/Summoner.

If you remove global cooldowns, you are essentially removing what semblance we have of an ATB battle system. Like think FF7, an Action bar needed to be filled before you could take an action.

I don't find tanking boring, I think the skills mesh well with each other (for PLD at least).

[Xandim]

When every other Dragoon I see is named Highwind, and an unusually large number of players I've met have never played an MMO before by their own admittance...I do not think it is wrong to assume a lot of people are trying this game because they are Final Fantasy fans.

You are confusing fans with die-hard fans. Highwind is 'famous' because he was a main character in FF4 and the first dragoon, just like Cecil, Celes or Terra are famous. But does it mean that every highwind knows by heart EVERYTHING about ALL games in the franchise? I played FF6 but didn't know that Rio Blade was a move from there (I believe you said that, right? Can't remember right now). I consider myself a fan of the franchise, as do other people, but doesn't mean we KNOW everything bout everything. Yoshi is already doing lots of fan service (LB names, golden saucer, etc). Simply renaming a move won't make people go "OMG, IM SO GONNA PLAY THAT CLASS NOW"

[Crevox]

I'm just giving 100% truthful feedback as a long time Final Fantasy fan

And this is the problem. You're not thinking about the balance or game design at all.

Also, stop trying to make XIV something it's not. This is XIV. This is not FF6. This is not FF10. This is not FF whatever. This is FFXIV.

[Spellbinder]

If you didn't know this, yes it does. Damage dealt is proportional to amount of HP the PLD has when it is used.

Yes I knew juniglee, and thank you for affirming the statement I made earlier.

[・・・] when in all likelihood the name was taken from the Final Fantasy 11 sword skill Spirits Within, which also did damage based on HP (oh hey, what a coincidence!).

[juniglee]

Simply renaming a move won't make people go "OMG, IM SO GONNA PLAY THAT CLASS NOW"

I don't think it's so much renaming a move, as giving the class a signature ability.

For example, Jump is traditionally a Dragoon skill. Similarly, Kick/Chakra are signature Monk skills across the FF games. Flare, Ultima for Black Mages, Holy for White Mages, etc.

I'm up for tanks having a signature ability, but probably not one that deals huge damage, like Omnislash/Renzokuken/what not.

[Xandim]

I don't think it's so much renaming a move, as giving the class a signature ability.

For example, Jump is traditionally a Dragoon skill. Similarly, Kick/Chakra are signature Monk skills across the FF games. Flare, Ultima for Black Mages, Holy for White Mages, etc.

I'm up for tanks having a signature ability, but probably not one that deals huge damage, like Omnislash/Renzokuken/what not.

But they do have, albeit a rather semi-useless one. Cover has been in almost all FF since FF4 I believe. I always wanted for Cover to act more like in another game (Hint: Devotion).

Well, unless you mean a DD skill, then they got none I think =P

[therpgfanatic]

You are confusing fans with die-hard fans. Highwind is 'famous' because he was a main character in FF4 and the first dragoon, just like Cecil, Celes or Terra are famous. But does it mean that every highwind knows by heart EVERYTHING about ALL games in the franchise? I played FF6 but didn't know that Rio Blade was a move from there (I believe you said that, right? Can't remember right now). I consider myself a fan of the franchise, as do other people, but doesn't mean we KNOW everything bout everything. Yoshi is already doing lots of fan service (LB names, golden saucer, etc). Simply renaming a move won't make people go "OMG, IM SO GONNA PLAY THAT CLASS NOW"

Yeah it's great that Black Mages swing a Buster Sword with their limit break.

Tanks never get to use our Limit Break though.

There are issues. Denying them is not solving anything.

[juniglee]

Yeah it's great that Black Mages swing a Buster Sword with their limit break.

Tanks never get to use our Limit Break though.

There are issues. Denying them is not solving anything.

I seem to recall tanks use their LB 99.9% of the time in Ultima HM.

There's just no content in this game where we are required to use a tank limit break to make content easier outside of that.

[Xandim]

Yeah it's great that Black Mages swing a Buster Sword with their limit break.

Tanks never get to use our Limit Break though.

There are issues. Denying them is not solving anything.

Im guessing you mean DRG and MNK instead of BLM for the Buster Sword LB =P

As for tanks, they are tanks, so its only natural that their LB IS around tanking. But hey, at least on Ultima we get to use it... right? =P

Im not saying to deny it, just saying that some issues have higher prioritys than others (like the LB system should have priority over a name convention)

[Reiryuu]

I disagree with calling Circle of Scorn "Runic Blade" as Celes 1) is NOT a paladin, she is a Rune Knight. ( See Rune Knight: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Rune_Knight )
2) Runic Blade from Celes absorbed magic attacks directed at her, not spammed light from the heavens to do AoE DoT damage.

I see where you are coming from in your posts, however, I don't see all the characters you listed as tanks either. I have all the jobs at 50 and quite frankly, they all suffer from the same problem as the Tank classes: They are just too watered down. All of them lack a certain bit of luster that made them shine and fun in FFXI, for example. The problem with the tank classes is that how much fun you have is directly correlated to how hard the other people in your party make your job to do. That black mage opening with fire III > Flare > convert > swift cast > Flare for example... (yes, really... it's happened to me. relic +1 blm assuming I could get hate back from that when I didn't even have my relic yet...)