How to make tanks more fun to play (devs please read)

[therpgfanatic]

If the DPS can't take down the nails, it just means they aren't overgearing you ...
Anyway it's a MMORPG, like multiplayer ... If you and your party can't communicate to build a strategy to succeed, there are nothing the developers can do to help you beside nerfing the contents to Kingdom come ...

It's not "cant take down nails". It's not "all DPS are attacking the nails".

They have the gear. A lot of people gear their DPS from whoever was their main. Doesnt mean they know how to play, or that some believe they can ignore their job and let someone else do it.

[XNihili]

It's not "cant take down nails". It's not "all DPS are attacking the nails".

They have the gear. A lot of people gear their DPS from whoever was their main. Doesnt mean they know how to play, or that some believe they can ignore their job and let someone else do it.

Then unless they are trolling and not willing to win the fight, ask them to kill the nails, set marks and go hit them too ...

[Miitan]

It's not "cant take down nails". It's not "all DPS are attacking the nails".

They have the gear. A lot of people gear their DPS from whoever was their main. Doesnt mean they know how to play, or that some believe they can ignore their job and let someone else do it.

Welcome to "bad players exist in MMOs". This has nothing to do with Paladin's tanking ability though.

I get the feeling this thread has turned into a general rant about stuff, in which case "WHY CAN'T I GET MORE MYTHS EVERY WEEK!?"

[Ehayte]

Doesnt mean they know how to play....

: O

Listen, you can just make a macro that says:

/p Hey guys, I'm a new player trying to get some more gear so my initially enmity isn't fantastic, could everyone give me about 5 seconds to get a nice head start before laying into the mob? Thanks guys!

SL>SW>FB>CoS>SB>Rampart>RoH = ftw

I am generally a nice person who sugar coats things, but you are just dead wrong. There is absolutely no reason to change anything regarding tank enmity in this game. Its the iLVL difference. Just get more gear.

[NeroMD]

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Since when was I insulting your intelligence? You stated spamming halone without combo is better than a complete combo. You stated that the 10% Damage debuff is pointless because you can dodge AOE's and you have your defensive cooldowns. Which is completely incorrect. You're basically blaming the job of your enmity problems rather than the I-level difference.

No it's not going to fix your enmity problems but it'll be a step up of what you originally had. You'll always have problems keeping enmity if your gear isn't up to par to the DD's.

[BotenAnna]

No it's not going to fix your enmity problems but it'll be a step up of what you originally had. You'll always have problems keeping enmity if your gear isn't up to par to the DD's.

This isn't necessarily true, if he flashed more and actually comboed his threat abilities or recognized that shield lob is a thing that exists and is good for getting initial hate so that he can build the combo he wouldn't have too many problems. Moreover, DR dungeons aren't so difficult that if the Dragoon decides to just go bananas and pull threat it's even really a problem.

The most important thing for threat is weapon ilevel; the relic questline is super easy and the hardest part of tanking Titan hard mode is finding 5 DPS and 2 healers that won't stand in landslides. If he's not working on that that's what he should be doing.

[therpgfanatic]

Actually the hardest thing about Titan Hard mode is getting the item level so that groups don't instant kick you. I've wasted 2 hours today already getting kicked from even level appropriate things like King Mog and Ifrit because the same elitist snobs keep appearing in the party and kicking me based on my item level.

I have done the quest up to Titan Hard mode. I can't survive the AOE if I dont get more darklight pieces for more HP.

Do me an enormous favor and stop posting accusational crap about how I am a bad player.

[NeroMD]

This isn't necessarily true, if he flashed more and actually comboed his threat abilities or recognized that shield lob is a thing that exists and is good for getting initial hate so that he can build the combo he wouldn't have too many problems.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the start of the fight. DPS can catch up on Titan hard if the tank is undergeared, The longer the fight goes. the easier it is for an undergeared tank to keep enmity when a DRG pops in elusive jump for example. But yeah, I'm pretty much done here.

[BotenAnna]

If people are kicking you for item level then report them, but I have a feeling it's more because you're failing to do things like comboing rage of halone, using flash, or opening with shield lob (or fight or flight + shield lob) and wasting everyone's time by causing wipes because the healer pulled aggro casting cure.

It's OK to be a bad player, we're all bads at some point, but you're worse than a bad player. You're wrong and stubborn and mean to people who point out why you're wrong and what you should do to fix it. The solution to your problems isn't to retcon a bunch of godmode abilities with FF6 names, it is to listen to people telling you how to be good at the game, then executing.

[therpgfanatic]

I'm not being mean to you by not thanking you for telling me something you read off a guide someone else created, and that I have said several times I am already aware of and taken the time to deeply explain why it's not working in the particular circumstances.

This is why people don't want to be tanks. Even other tanks can be frustrating to talk to about things they didn't personally impact them. You've been around since 1.0 with all your legacy levels and gear, so your experience is different from someone who started recently.