My friend the "content locust" :(

[Yashnaheen]

You didn't play XI at JP release. Wait a year then content comparison will be fair.

Consider that content in XI released in 2003 was still exactly as relevant to do in 2009 (which is when they changed the nature of the game). In ARR some content released on September 22nd of 2013 already became irrelevant 3 months later. That is a huge difference. 2.2 will do the same to some 2.1 content. The first expansion, by plan/design, will make EVERYTHING prior to it irrelevant. There is no direct content comparison at any time frame due to the different nature of both games.

Also, even as an original XI fan, I don't want old fashion HNMs. Just fyi.

[Clavaat]

The first expansion, by plan/design, will make EVERYTHING prior to it irrelevant.

I really don't know why people think this way. Maybe because I didn't play WoW? I don't know. What I do know is, there was "irrelevant content" all over the place in FFXI as the years went on. If you're referring to NM items, they would become "irrelevant" after like, 10 levels anyway typically. If you're referring to Sky/Sea etc, they were both expansionary zones. Content is only as relevant as you want to make it.

Also, what in 2.1 made things "irrelevant"? If you are just starting the game at this point, do you not still have to get your relic and collect philo along the way? Sure, it's easier to do now, but that just makes it less tedious, not irrelevant. I still have to do AK/WP w/e for Duty Roulette, I still fight HM's for relic, and I still FATE grind between DR's on my alts, though now I have a better option with Battlecraft leves as well. In other words, I believe we're getting the terms "irrelevant" and "less tedious" mixed up, which is easy to do when FFXI was your last reference.

[chococo]

I really don't know why people think this way. Maybe because I didn't play WoW? I don't know. What I do know is, there was "irrelevant content" all over the place in FFXI as the years went on. If you're referring to NM items, they would become "irrelevant" after like, 10 levels anyway typically. If you're referring to Sky/Sea etc, they were both expansionary zones. Content is only as relevant as you want to make it.

Also, what in 2.1 made things "irrelevant"? If you are just starting the game at this point, do you not still have to get your relic and collect philo along the way? Sure, it's easier to do now, but that just makes it less tedious, not irrelevant. I still have to do AK/WP w/e for Duty Roulette, I still fight HM's for relic, and I still FATE grind between DR's on my alts, though now I have a better option with Battlecraft leves as well. In other words, I believe we're getting the terms "irrelevant" and "less tedious" mixed up, which is easy to do when FFXI was your last reference.

Well in XIV you achieve everything so fast, things would also lose their relevance just as fast. Surely when you start out there's lots of things to do, no doubt. But when you can level up your jobs in a very short period of time and be able to progress, there's no longer relevance in obsolete content. Further down the road in patch say 2.4, you've probably leveled all classes by then, gotten your relic or whatever, and there's Turn 20. Would you still be doing WP, AK, or even the labyrinth of the ancients?

XI content had replay value because achievements were not obtained that quickly. Even if you do not need a specific drop, you could always do content to farm and sell, thereby gaining something during the process. In XIV if you're done with, say primals, you're done, period. There is no reason for you to go back there. This is apparent when PF (on masamune) is only filled with training parties. There's even fewer clear parties on the day of reset cos people don't even need those primal weapons anymore.

[Clavaat]

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Thank you for your answer! To answer your question, I don't know if I would be doing WP/AK/CT by patch 2.4, as I don't know if they plan on making changes to it. However, if they keep the DR basically functioning as is, then yes I would be. I have almost all of my classes leveled already, but I definitely do not have them all geared for all high level content. From what I can tell, tomestones will keep a pretty sufficient bottleneck in actually improving your gear. Which is a good thing. I can't predict the future, neither can anyone else in this thread, which was kind of my main point with making a claim of irrelevancy this early doesn't make any sense.

[Grizzlebeard]

It's a little tiresome to continually reiterate what has already been said. At least SE has given us the tools I need to prevent further headaches.

http://i.imgur.com/usgRoHw.png

So long, OP.

Ultimately that's the best course of action in these situations. It's easy to find yourself dragged in to a pointless debate with people you neither know nor care about who generally seem to have little else to do than camp forums when the reality of it is nothing we discuss will change the direction of the game, people's opinions, or matter one jot a few months from now.

To that end, I'll follow your example.

[DudeImAlive]

I can relate to both points of view, Ive leveled up my Arcanist and got my level 90 gear. Besides crafting classes I dont care to level up another class until they release more classes like Thief or Red Mage ect. I dont mind pvp since you can jump into a match and be done with it fairly quickly. However I could easily put the game on the shelf till next expansion or patch because most of my goals for now are met. However Im anticipating everything that will be coming that we have been told to expect. Im prepping my crafting classes cause I want to be ready to build my airship once we get our underground workshops. Im gathering and crafting to make money cause im expecting to spend some money when breeding and racing my chocobos and buying my own house. I also plan on dropping some gil on the casino they are going to implement later too. However these are long term goals and getting to them may take some grinding which most people dont look forward to. But just like when the FC housing was announced I had some foresight to start making and saving money because no one knew how much it was going to cost and prior to the its implementation not many people were trying to save and the markets were quite a different place. Safe to say i didnt regret my decision to prepare then, and im willing to bet I wont be regretting it later either.

[Malekzus]

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[Imapooonu]

posts like these made by you yourself are what is going to lead to the derailment of your own topic and quite honestly are going to make any valid points you may have seem irrelevant as you appear to be attacking anyone who wants to voice a simple statement by seemingly attacking another players statement.If you dont like it carry on there was nothing offensive about his post that was worth reporting other than the fact you feel entitled to judge what people should and should not be allowed to post.

I will be reporting your own post and as you seem to wish to flag this topic quite a bit I dont see it staying unlocked and this discussion continuing very long.

Thank for exercising the forum guidelines.

I have not flagged anyone for a difference of opinion.

I have not flagged anyone slightly off topic.

I hope all of these are removed to make room for the people actually carrying on an intelligent and decent conversation.

Again, here are the guidelines:

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...ag=playerssite

They're not even that elaborate and pretty simple to follow.