My friend the "content locust" :(

[Sirantha]

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While I can see why people would be frustrated that they've completed the existing content many times over, that is still unique to those people, regardless of how many there are. The game is not just aimed at people who can play for many hours every single day, but also at people who only have an hour or two per day, or even only a few days a week, to play, but still want to accomplish things. Now, I'm not saying that means SE shouldn't introduce more content for the people who DO have the time, but I'm honestly pretty surprised that people expect the devs to simply pull content out of their backsides. Introducing a few new dungeons each patch is actually pretty awesome, and they're also adding mini events to keep players interested. If that doesn't interest the people who are frustrated, that's simply too bad. Devs can't please everyone, right?

[Zezlar]

While I can see why people would be frustrated that they've completed the existing content many times over, that is still unique to those people, regardless of how many there are. The game is not just aimed at people who can play for many hours every single day, but also at people who only have an hour or two per day, or even only a few days a week, to play, but still want to accomplish things. Now, I'm not saying that means SE shouldn't introduce more content for the people who DO have the time, but I'm honestly pretty surprised that people expect the devs to simply pull content out of their backsides. Introducing a few new dungeons each patch is actually pretty awesome, and they're also adding mini events to keep players interested. If that doesn't interest the people who are frustrated, that's simply too bad. Devs can't please everyone, right?

Do you not see the problem then?

[Sirantha]

Do you not see the problem then?

Sorry for the late reply. I do see a problem, but I also see a problem with people's expectations. Ultimately, the most vocal and negative/frustrated people will be the people who post on the forum; I'd venture that the majority of players are pretty satisfied with how things are. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think that's a reason not to add additional content, and preferably at a relatively fast pace, but the devs probably don't want to leave the less hardcore people behind, as well as potentially not being able to keep up with the people who have more time to spend on the game.

So while I see what people are complaining about, I feel like it's not as doom and gloom as some people are making it out.

[Doo]

It's been played

And you're welcome for that btw. I've also tried to defend this perspective as well. Without constant interjection on my behalf, it would have happened and you know it.

Ultimately, the most vocal and negative/frustrated people will be the people who post on the forum; I'd venture that the majority of players are pretty satisfied with how things are.

[Sirantha]

It's been played

I'm sorry if you disagree (and I apologise, I missed your conversation with the OP, I was responding to a post that responded to me yesterday) but ultimately I think we have to agree to disagree. If you genuinely feel the vocal minority isn't accurate, that's totally fine, but I feel that in this case, it is. Or, at the very least, if it's not the vocal minority, the people who feel most negative will generally be the people who post. Even if they make up the same number of players as those who are happy, or more, the positive people tend to post less.

Editing to add that I don't think a group of people being the "vocal minority" makes them any less worthy of being heard, my point is simply that people saying, "Just because you enjoy content doesn't mean everyone else does" works exactly the same way in reverse, possibly to an even greater extent. Though I don't have the in-depth context on that, so I can only say based on previous forum experience.

[Grizzlebeard]

I'm sorry if you disagree (and I apologise, I missed your conversation with the OP, I was responding to a post that responded to me yesterday) but ultimately I think we have to agree to disagree. If you genuinely feel the vocal minority isn't accurate, that's totally fine, but I feel that in this case, it is. Or, at the very least, if it's not the vocal minority, the people who feel most negative will generally be the people who post. Even if they make up the same number of players as those who are happy, or more, the positive people tend to post less.

In my experience, only people who care enough about the game post on the forums. Of the people who post on here expressing their dissatisfaction and hopes for improvements there will be many more who aren't aware of the forums, don't want to subject themselves to the vitriol and bickering of gaming forums in general, or simply don't care enough to post on them. They'll just unsubscribe and proceed to tell their friends, "That game was garbage!". I know of at least four rl friends who've done this. Path of least resistance and all that.

[Gamemako]

In my experience, only people who care enough about the game post on the forums. Of the people who post on here expressing their dissatisfaction and hopes for improvements there will be many more who aren't aware of the forums, don't want to subject themselves to the vitriol and bickering of gaming forums in general, or simply don't care enough to post on them. They'll just unsubscribe and proceed to tell their friends, "That game was garbage!". I know of at least four rl friends who've done this. Path of least resistance and all that.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and there are a lot of squeaky wheels here. Just look at the servers represented: there are 5 times as many non-legacy servers as legacy servers, but looking up the page, we have 28 of the last 70 posts from legacy servers. 40% of posts representing 20% of players. The selection bias isn't exactly unpredictable. That's not to say that complaints aren't valid, but all of those players who haven't finished everything already aren't going to be here on the forums defending SE from something they yet know nothing about. We are all the vocal minority, which is why the troll above pulled the bandwagon card in the first place.

[Susanoh]

While I can see why people would be frustrated that they've completed the existing content many times over, that is still unique to those people, regardless of how many there are. The game is not just aimed at people who can play for many hours every single day, but also at people who only have an hour or two per day, or even only a few days a week, to play, but still want to accomplish things. Now, I'm not saying that means SE shouldn't introduce more content for the people who DO have the time, but I'm honestly pretty surprised that people expect the devs to simply pull content out of their backsides. Introducing a few new dungeons each patch is actually pretty awesome, and they're also adding mini events to keep players interested. If that doesn't interest the people who are frustrated, that's simply too bad. Devs can't please everyone, right?

They'd never be able to create enough fresh content to keep hardcore players interested, but what they could do is provide challenging methods of progress that require effort to go alongside their current methods of progress which is entirely based on lockouts. New dungeons, boss fights, etc. are great, and I'm glad they're adding them, but if they follow the exact same design philosophy as all of their previous content, then after a few days when everyone's tried out the new content, it goes back to being exactly the same as it was before. I'm fully in favor of lockout activities as they're perfect for providing meaningful content with rewards at a reasonable pace without going overboard, but when lockout events are considered to be the one and only path to meaningful progress and crafting, gathering, open world combat activities, etc. all have little impact on your character, other characters and the game world, that's when you start to see people complaining because they really want to log in and do something that has an effect on something after they're done with all their lockouts, and all they get in response is menial tasks that have no effect on anything like "Cap your seals," "Level every job," or "Catch every fish in the game."