My friend the "content locust" :(

[ApolloGenX]

The common theme seems to be that nothing is worth doing unless "my" character reaps some benefit. Said benefit being the next iLvl piece.

That is a design issue.

Ilevel used to not be the only means of advancing... In fact gear used to be diverse, so Ilevel wasn't even visible- theorycrafting was done an "item budget", which was a more comprehensive comparison of diverse gear based on various weight given to different stats such that different pieces were comparable, but not unilaterally superior.

The problem is the oversimplification of advancement to a linear design. There are lots of ways you used to be able to advance your character... without those other ways, systems, complexity, games have become an Ilevel fest that is what many players are calling "dumbed down" and is the root of dissatisfaction of some players- myself included.

When you create one dimensional games- then people tend to focus on that single design feature...

[Jadmus]

I imagine if this all could be corrected with one, simple fix... let myth be a job-specific currency. Like if I cap 450 myth on my DRG, I can still grind my weekly 450 myth on my PLD. That way, people who want to raise a ton of jobs can keep playing them throughout the week.

EDIT: Tomes of philosophy could still be global to all classes

[TrickedOutHoro]

I'd say your friend is entitled to his feelings. PVP isn't for everyone, the chocobos ARE worthless, and while sure the GC seals may be helpful in the future, it sounds like the last thing he wants right now is a grind. He should take a break, play/do something else and come back at 2.2.

I'm not bored of the game yet but I can totally see how some would be. I certainly am ready for 2.2.

[Asakura93]

I don't know what's worse. What we currently have here in FF14, or raiding SoO in WoW for another half a year or longer. :L

[Moheeheeko]

I don't know what's worse. What we currently have here in FF14, or raiding SoO in WoW for another half a year or longer. :L

This so much. People complain about how fast they run out of content in this game, while in other games its the same story, and you have to wait even longer for new content. we have new stuff coming in the next month or so, and had new content added less than 2 months ago, the only reason people dont recodnise that is due to technical problems we got content 3 before content 2. I have a strong feeling from now on there will be much progression in harder content.

If this game were run by blizzard, we wouldnt even be able to acces turn 5 yet, and t4 would have just been unlocked.

[Poyozo]

This so much. People complain about how fast they run out of content in this game, while in other games its the same story, and you have to wait even longer for new content. we have new stuff coming in the next month or so, and had new content added less than 2 months ago, the only reason people dont recodnise that is due to technical problems we got content 3 before content 2. I have a strong feeling from now on there will be much progression in harder content.

If this game were run by blizzard, we wouldnt even be able to acces turn 5 yet, and t4 would have just been unlocked.

What "new" stuff? Where is this "new" stuff. All I see are more coil turns and more difficulties to already existing content.

[TrystWildkey]

Please, this has been a good discussion thread so far, let's all try to keep it that way

[LoLo]

The game IS boring to me and to a good majority of other people.

I have decided to keep playing because I want to cap Bard, Pld, Drg, and I want to get the gear from the primal ex bosses. Out side of that, I dont care about chocobo's and I easily fall asleep doing CT and leveling crafts and jobs. If the game was more exciting it wouldn't be a chore to level these jobs, but at the moment it is because everyone has stopped playing so it takes longer to exp fates and to just que into lower level duty dungeons.

[Imapooonu]

The game IS boring to me and to a good majority of other people.

I have decided to keep playing because I want to cap Bard, Pld, Drg, and I want to get the gear from the primal ex bosses. Out side of that, I dont care about chocobo's and I easily fall asleep doing CT and leveling crafts and jobs. If the game was more exciting it wouldn't be a chore to level these jobs, but at the moment it is because everyone has stopped playing so it takes longer to exp fates and to just que into lower level duty dungeons.

These are the assumptions I find extremely bias.

"boring to a majority of people"

"everyone has stopped playing"

These are statements you cannot possibly back up with facts. I respect your opinion, I'm not trying to sway you one way other the other (only my friend), but this thread will not go off topic like it once did. These statements are borderline derailing, but I don't believe it was said with any ill intent.

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For that you have my respect and thanks for contributing. However:

This is again dangerously close to becoming off topic. Although the precedent for conversational direction is loose at best, it is there. Please try to discuss the problem in a more relevant way considering the subject matter.

I've went off topic a little as well. Human nature sometimes lol. I apologize, I'll try harder to inject more direction when time allows.

Thank you in advance, poo

[Akiza]

FFXIV ARR is not WoW clone it's Final Fantasy with MMORPG elements added. Most people don't know the difference between Vertical and Horizontal progression
- Vertical progression is based on gear level and player level.
- Horizontal progression is based on adding abilities, attributes and skill points to augment your abilities and character stats.

Both types of progression by themselves have draw backs vertical progressions ends up becoming all about gear and horizontal progression becomes about grinding out skill points and is hard to balance in MMORPG's

Square stated that they would add the ability to change the effects of abilities in the 1st expansion so that should answer questions regarding horizontal progression.