Level 50....Gladiator?

[Gilraen]

Honestly, all this, "X class sucks without Y Job" talk strikes me of loldrg of yester-year. They work, people have proven it as such. So what if it's harder, if it's what that person wants why should we belittle that effort? I, as Warrior, have lost hate to Dragoons several times. Speaks ill of my tanking ability, yes, but if a Warrior cycling their Butcher's Block combo and Overpower can lose hate to a Dragoon, a lancer tank doesn't sound all that far-fetched at all. If a lancer tank can't generate as much enmity as a healer, then the healer should temper how much healing they are putting out. They gave us this convenient enmity meter in the form of a 'red light, green light' system, easy to see if you're about to pull aggro or not.

I applaud those that want to try different ideas, test what works and what doesn't and go with their guts. If only we could all be so open-minded.

[Xaphire]

I lost threat to a DRG

This either happened in the first six seconds of a fight, or the DRG was attacking the wrong target in a multi-pull, or you didn't have defiance on. The only time I've seen a tank (PLD or WAR) lose threat after the first 15 seconds or so into a fight was to a WHM spamming Medica II and Cure III to pull threat deliberately.

[Farah]

Ran Aurum Vale one time with an archer. Party asked them why they werent on bard, and they didnt even know there was a job system. Was kind of funny and sad at the same time.

[Rhysati]

Ran Aurum Vale one time with an archer. Party asked them why they werent on bard, and they didnt even know there was a job system. Was kind of funny and sad at the same time.

This is because the game doesn't tell you anything about half the stuff in the game. Want to get a job? Google it. Want to meld materia? Google it. Want to know how to unlock all the other dungeons that you haven't unlocked? Google it.

It's something they really need to fix.

[Odett]

This is because the game doesn't tell you anything about half the stuff in the game. Want to get a job? Google it. Want to meld materia? Google it. Want to know how to unlock all the other dungeons that you haven't unlocked? Google it.

It's something they really need to fix.

There is a new Red quest marker in the same place that you turn in your last lv 30 class quest.

The lv 19 story quest introduces you to melding.

Most optional dungeons are picked up in places where you are doing story quest, sans Cutter's Cry, I'll give you that one.

SE could help newer players by displaying pop-up "Help" messages about melding, Jobs, and new dungeons as you reach the appropriate level, but I also feel that players are perfectly capable of finding out about these things if they weren't always in such a rush when leveling, skipping through quest text, and ignoring new quest markers.

[KraggyKor]

Ran Aurum Vale one time with an archer. Party asked them why they werent on bard, and they didnt even know there was a job system. Was kind of funny and sad at the same time.

Whilst it makes an amusing story and some people will feel good at laughing at a noob .. please remind where the GAME tells you about JOBS, as I don't recall an NPC with a quest which showed me where the Bard trainer was, nor for that matter the one for WHM.

The lv 19 story quest introduces you to melding.

Yes, but you don't get the Melding skill from it and when running through the main story I'd argue the vast majority hitting 19 on their first class will have the necessary DoH skill to get the quest that gives you that.

[Odett]

Whilst it makes an amusing story and some people will feel good at laughing at a noob .. please remind where the GAME tells you about JOBS, as I don't recall an NPC with a quest which showed me where the Bard trainer was, nor for that matter the one for WHM.


Yes, but you don't get the Melding skill from it and when running through the main story I'd argue the vast majority hitting 19 on their first class will have the necessary DoH skill to get the quest that gives you that.

As soon as you're done with the lv 30 quest, a new one unlocks where the Guildmaster is, guiding you to the BRD trainer, same with all other jobs.


The goblin informs you in the quest text that you need to be a DoH in order to meld materia yourself, meaning that only someone who didn't read quest text would not know that players are able to meld materia.

[Versiroth]

a Dragoon, a lancer tank doesn't sound all that far-fetched at all. If a lancer tank can't generate as much enmity as a healer, then the healer should temper how much healing they are putting out. They gave us this convenient enmity meter in the form of a 'red light, green light' system, easy to see if you're about to pull aggro or not.

I applaud those that want to try different ideas, test what works and what doesn't and go with their guts. If only we could all be so open-minded.

Temper their healing? So, the healer should just let the Lancer tank die if he's about to get aggro? The fact is, if you're in a group, there is absolutely zero reason to not have your job crystal equipped. Every single class in the game is less efficient without it. If you want to mess around in a FC group, go for it. But keep it out of pugs.