Tank and heal shortage

[Mogi]

One last thing, Content is moving super slow, if they don't stop re-hashing dungeons and pumping out more content quicker, the problem will be worse, I hate to say it but elder scrolls online is coming soon, from what I have been reading and people saying they love the game.

That gives SE a bit of trouble due to elder scrolls online is also a P2P game and people aren't gonna pay for both which will cause a lot of people to leave causing tank and healer positions to be low.

Elder scrolls online is that not Bethesdas first try at an mmo? and it's not as if ZeniMax Online Studios is very big id hold back on saying this game will do well and or be very good till it's been out anyone can make an mmorpg but keeping it alive and well that's a other story and with all the bugs other Bethesda games have falling into random graphic holes game saveing in very bad spots i don't have that much hope for ESO just yet

[Reiryuu]

I don't want to deal with fighting Titan over and over again with pf groups, but I'll do it for the reward. Most endgame content is about getting certain rewards. If I can afford a house faster because I am rolling tank, yeah I am going to enjoy it more. A lot of the time I don't enjoy CT, but I sure enjoy it when I get my loot. The better the reward the more desired the content will be. I think the reason most people do more difficult fights is for the rewards/loot, primals would not be fun if they offered nothing in return. By raising rewards you can eventually find a balence point.

The question is not whether you're willing to PF for those rewards, but if you're willing to Duty Finder for them? That's where most of the rewarding is taking place after all (See daily roulette). If tanks were rewarded for being in a static/prebuilt group that'd be a little unfair to the other members, I would think.

[Gamemako]

Elder scrolls online is that not Bethesdas first try at an mmo?

They're not Bethesda Game Studios (who make mainline series). ZeniMax Online Studios, a completely new studio formed by ZeniMax (umbrella for Bethesda and a few other studios), is making the game. It's headed up by ex-DAoC devs, IIRC.

It can be tough to find bards for T1 while they're everywhere for other content. Nobody wants to screw up the feeds and get yelled at.

[Gramul]

Tanks and healers get all the responsibility blame if something goes wrong. Who wants to deal with that?

[Langureion]

Tanks and healers get all the responsibility if something goes wrong. Who wants to deal with that?

+1
Hopefully SE is smart enough to implant certain skills or buff to ease off the burden on the tank and healers.
Adding a special mount really won't do much, once people got the mount, they'll stay away like usual.

[Raeletta]

Gimme a tanky second job on mnk and I'll do it.

Otherwise you'll have to wait while I very slowly level my tanks (expected 50 in 2015) :x

[cloverkitty]

Elder scrolls online is that not Bethesdas first try at an mmo? and it's not as if ZeniMax Online Studios is very big id hold back on saying this game will do well and or be very good till it's been out anyone can make an mmorpg but keeping it alive and well that's a other story and with all the bugs other Bethesda games have falling into random graphic holes game saveing in very bad spots i don't have that much hope for ESO just yet

My hope is that ESO will take many of the extremely rude players out of the FFXIV equation. Sadly I played the last 4 beta weekends and we won't get that luckly. There are some aspects that are decent, (eg seemless zones, familiar markings from Elder scrolls games, open world exploration and monsters, plus an actually open world with teeth).

However it plays like a single player game online and the battle system is slow and makes it rather boring quick, I would get bored before the end of the Beta weekend.

While I had hoped for a little competition to light the fire under SE to stop over simplifying aspects of the game, sadly we won't get that lucky.

On the topic of Tanking I would have to say until people in lower level dungeons and roulettes actually give new tanks a chance to learn their job, things won't change. I have 2 level 50 decently geared tanks (pld/war) from 1.0. I needed to learn the changes and how to do the battle system in a real environment. I make a few mistakes (although was doing ok) and people throw a fit with no suggestion. "Why are you did you even try to tank if you can't hold every mob (while the dd attacks whatever)". I recently tried again on tanking only to get vote kicked when people found out I was not an expert. I give up on tanking anything but stuff with friends.

I do keep the reduce the healer shortage on the other hand, as I do have a WHM in almost all ILvL90 (-1 ring). If what I deal with as a tank and even sometimes a healer is anything to go by, the shortage will never end no matter what kind of gimmes or other things are done. I already have the tanks leveled and geared, I just refuse to use it.

[CYoung187]

The question is not whether you're willing to PF for those rewards, but if you're willing to Duty Finder for them? That's where most of the rewarding is taking place after all (See daily roulette). If tanks were rewarded for being in a static/prebuilt group that'd be a little unfair to the other members, I would think.

I agree, any rewards should be df only. I just said pf in titan example because I will not df that one. Rewards should only be for helping DF waits.

[KraggyKor]

The fundamental fail here was SE deciding to have the standard party size at 4 .. the 'Light' party size is the overwhelming majority of group content so it's the de facto 'normal' IMO .. and also SE's deciding that 'raid' (meaning at least 2x normal group size) content would need two tanks and two healers all the time.

It was stupid to have 1:1:2 ratio of tank:healerPS when the real ratio is a whole lot larger .. normal groups should have been 6 as in FFXI, not BECAUSE FFXI had a party size of 6 but because it's a better reflection of reality: note also 6-man content only needs 1 tank and 1 healer.

[jars]

I had two ct groups fill up on tanks and healers before dps yesterday. I was dumbfounded.

we had to wait for dps!