I am getting irritated with Summoner in endgame content

[NintenPyjak64]

There's no reason to *not* use enkindle if it's up during one of the razor plume spawns-- you're hitting the boss with it too.

You target Garuda when you aerial slash or enkindle (just like with bane) and time it so it also hits the adds.

My emphasis was to point out that Garuda has a standalone AoE that not many people use/know about

[Cons]

I see your point and it has been mentioned before but as DOT it is to be expected, so what that we struggle with burst damage quickly? We do great at everything else, its just balance

[Hitome]

swiftcast is not optional

in a some aoe situations like turn 4 and titan ex summoner aoe damage is aces. I put up RS and bane on the first set of soldiers on turn 4 and they melt. no blm can do that

It's funny because BLM AoE DPS is far superior in both of the endgame instances you just mentioned: especially Titan egis.

I would not recommend playing BLM, though. SMN is faceroll easy and puts out superior DPS in most instances due to the nature of movement and casting. Maximizing DPS as BLM is a little bit harder and only a few people (some on these forums) seem to be able to do it properly.

[jars]

blm dps is only 'better' on turn 4 because of the first pull of spiders which amounts to nothing, discount that and summoner should always win in damage(I'm not going to waste pet cds on garbage). there are numerous times in the fight when you can cleave adds and a blm can't aoe at all.

[Madoka]

swiftcast is not optional

in a some aoe situations like turn 4 and titan ex summoner aoe damage is aces. I put up RS and bane on the first set of soldiers on turn 4 and they melt. no blm can do that

I save my RS for the 2nd dreadnaught. That + int potion, shadow flare, contagion and a fester and then I switch over to the soldier that spawns with it while I still have those buffs and slap dots on it. Our BLM usually doesn't attack that soldier for some reason but I still get it down while doing a shitload of damage to the dreadnaught.

[jars]

I can't remember if RS comes up in time for the last dreads, but having 4 RS enhanced dots rolling is immense dps, when the first set dies the second set has already lost 1/3 of its hp

[Madoka]

You have a full minute for each set of mobs, so there's no real rush that causes you to need to blow your RS on the first soldiers. Unless you're the only mage in the party at least.

[Craiger]

As a SMN and BLM player, I can say that BLM isn't a "better option" in any way. In fact I think it's the other way around, but that's personal preference....

First off, your pet should never die. Garuda Extreme feather aoe can hit it if your unlucky (rarely if you do it right), but even then it shouldn't die, and it doesn't sound like your doing Extreme primals yet either...

SMN has higher single target dps than BLM, and they have very good AOE too. Garuda plumes might not be their best kind of enemy, but it shouldn't be a problem.

For fights that doesn't have too many targets, and where the enemies last for longer than 30 seconds, SMN is up there with BLM when it comes to AoE (sometimes even higher). The only fight in the game where AoE is very important, which is Coil Turn 4, SMN is just as good as BLM.

[Hitome]

The only fight in the game where AoE is very important, which is Coil Turn 4, SMN is just as good as BLM.

This is why, on turn 4, that I am at 26% while everyone else (including the SMN) hovers around 19-21%? lol Clearly SMN isn't better on turn 4 than a BLM if you seek maximum damage through job mechanics.

Sorry but it seems you do not play your BLM as well as you think.

There is absolutely no reason a SMN will ever beat a BLM in turn 4. Ever. I AoE things down so fast that your DoTs do not even have a chance to run their full duration. Given that double flare is still viable and is actually the optimal AoE rotation now, there isn't a way for a SMN to keep up in short term AoE instances as seen in turn 4.

Same story with Titan egis. You will not have a chance to apply your full DoTs before I have flared them twice (including Titan) and lined up my 3rd flare for the finisher.

Any fight with AoE that is longer than 30 seconds is pretty much T5 snakes...which I destroy SMNs in regularly. You can bane all you like but when I am chaining flares back to back it doesn't do much for you.

Less, of course, you were unaware of how to properly use BLM AoE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82L9IbUPMxU

As a BLM who has been playing since release, running turn 4 since late September, and running turn 5 weekly since mid November, I often find that the populace of BLMs who think they're 'good' at the job are, in fact, not.

Given that, I still have not seen pants from turn 4, my Allagan weapon, or any caster drops besides what you see on me. Yet I still run circles around SMNs with Allagan weapons and BiS gear in Titan Ex.

To be specific: he has Allagan book which is more weapon damage than my Elder Staff (huge), he has Allagan body (pure DPS) where I use AF2 body (contains ACC), and has the advantage when it comes to a movement-intensive fight. However, the results are pretty clear:

http://i.imgur.com/SuF85aj.png

I find I'd rather be using my SMN (if I had the Allagan gear) on turn 1 and MAYBE turn 5. As of tonight, I finally outparsed my FC mate who has full BiS gear on his MNK while on my BLM by playing super aggressive and altering our LB phase slightly. I'd rather take 1 BLM to T5 for lethargy.

And looky where the SMN is (he also has Allagan weapon):

http://i.imgur.com/sSObG8Y.png

That parse includes me using the LB instead of the SMN (where, if he had used the LB, I could have pushed out much more DPS than I did). BLM AoE shines in turn 5 pre-Twin and on both snake phases.

Where SMNs excel is where they can multidot targets that are not close together (i.e., where BLM AoE isn't feasible) such as T1 and T4. The problem with multidot on T4 is that soldiers die too fast. Dreads are the only place you really can shine and the majority of the fight is not spent fighting them. The entire premise is that SMN DPS is often superior in movement-intensive fights. Guess which style of fight T4 is? Not movement-intensive. Guess what that means? BLM single target + AoE rotation >> SMN damage on this specific turn.


As I've said: most people do not know how to play BLM so why bother trying? Go with the easy class and leave the class more dependent on min/maxing to the more skilled.

Edit: Honestly, after looking at your SMN, you can disregard the above. These situations do not apply to you.

[Craiger]

This is why, on turn 4, that I am at 26% while everyone else (including the SMN) hovers around 19-21%? lol Clearly SMN isn't better on turn 4 than a BLM if you seek maximum damage through job mechanics.

Sorry but it seems you do not play your BLM as well as you think.

There is absolutely no reason a SMN will ever beat a BLM in turn 4. Ever. I AoE things down so fast that your DoTs do not even have a chance to run their full duration. Given that double flare is still viable and is actually the optimal AoE rotation now, there isn't a way for a SMN to keep up in short term AoE instances as seen in turn 4.

Same story with Titan egis. You will not have a chance to apply your full DoTs before I have flared them twice (including Titan) and lined up my 3rd flare for the finisher.

Any fight with AoE that is longer than 30 seconds is pretty much T5 snakes...which I destroy SMNs in regularly. You can bane all you like but when I am chaining flares back to back it doesn't do much for you.

Less, of course, you were unaware of how to properly use BLM AoE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82L9IbUPMxU

As a BLM who has been playing since release, running turn 4 since late September, and running turn 5 weekly since mid November, I often find that the populace of BLMs who think they're 'good' at the job are, in fact, not.

Given that, I still have not seen pants from turn 4, my Allagan weapon, or any caster drops besides what you see on me. Yet I still run circles around SMNs with Allagan weapons and BiS gear in Titan Ex.

To be specific: he has Allagan book which is more weapon damage than my Elder Staff (huge), he has Allagan body (pure DPS) where I use AF2 body (contains ACC), and has the advantage when it comes to a movement-intensive fight. However, the results are pretty clear:

http://i.imgur.com/SuF85aj.png

I find I'd rather be using my SMN (if I had the Allagan gear) on turn 1 and MAYBE turn 5. As of tonight, I finally outparsed my FC mate who has full BiS gear on his MNK while on my BLM by playing super aggressive and altering our LB phase slightly. I'd rather take 1 BLM to T5 for lethargy.

And looky where the SMN is (he also has Allagan weapon):

http://i.imgur.com/sSObG8Y.png

That parse includes me using the LB instead of the SMN (where, if he had used the LB, I could have pushed out much more DPS than I did). BLM AoE shines in turn 5 pre-Twin and on both snake phases.

As I've said: most people do not know how to play BLM so why bother trying? Go with the easy class and leave the class more dependent on min/maxing to the more skilled.

Edit: Honestly, after looking at your SMN, you can disregard the above. These situations do not apply to you.

Why are you rambling about who's best ? I simply said that SMN is up there with BLM in AoE sometimes.... Not better. And Maybe if both play at their best (how do I know your SMN's does that ?), BLM is on top, but it's not like it is a big problem....

2 SMN's is going to kill those adds very fast too, maybe not as fast, but fast enough to easily finish the job.

The OP was saying that BLM is better in every way, which certainly isn't true... They might be better at AoE, but SMN surely beats them in single target dps, so both are good. So no point in arguing who's best.