I have a few issues with the end game.

[Hitome]

500k wasn't that much gil between 64 people. Furthermore, they did eventually make it so you can just buy a permanent key item for regular & CoP dynamis each. And it doesn't matter how much stuff YP adds, if it keeps following the current trend nothing will change; it's just an endless ladder from 1 set of content to the next, to be cast aside when you're done with it rather than having a wide selection of things to do.

It was one million. And yes: that was a lot of money even between 64 people which never showed up. Try 30-40.

I have a feeling you didn't play during NA release or shortly afterwards.

[Senfei]

Regardless of whether you consider content or not doesn't change the fact that it was indeed something you could spend time doing in order to obtain gear. By most definitions it is content. Also, everywhere but Japan released with Rise of the Zilart packaged in. You must mean Chains of Promathia.

I didn't remember the name of it (I was like 21 when I played this, im almost 30 now), but yes that was it. And yes, I suppose you could call it content. The context of the post you quoted was that someone said FFXI was a game that had tons of content to go through when you had already achieved the best gear possible. In my opinion, farming monsters for gear that is worse than what you have is not content, that's just filler. You are no longer progressing, you are just stalling until something else comes out for you to actually progress, which would be content. Now, whether or not you enjoy the filler period is completely subjective. I'm not arguing that.

What I am saying is that most MMOs do not have a lot of truly worthwhile tasks to complete once you have obtained the best gear possible for your chosen character/class/whatever. This has always been my experience and I am not shocked or disgusted by seeing it happen in FF14, so I am just genuinely curious as to why people are freaking out over it in this game.

[Warlyx]

FFXI : just leveling to 75 the 1 job, was months of content, and not touching any expansion (other than exp zones for leveling like the jungle that was zilart zone) was time consuming , missions , quests (for scrolls ) ,reputation , AF , limit breaks , crafting ,bcnm, farming gil ,ect

[Autymnfyres]

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What I am saying is that most MMOs do not have a lot of truly worthwhile tasks to complete once you have obtained the best gear possible for your chosen character/class/whatever. This has always been my experience and I am not shocked or disgusted by seeing it happen in FF14, so I am just genuinely curious as to why people are freaking out over it in this game...

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"Why are people freaking out over it in this game????"
I'm thinkin' probably because SO MANY PEOPLE ARE ALREADY AT END GAME. Not just the dedicated hardcore raiders are shut out...we can get the best there is with 8-man grouping. And we were told from the beginning this game STARTS AT 50.

Wish there would have been an asterisk beside that statement (repeated more than once) which noted: we are putting out a game with a vision that you can quickly get the leveling up to 50 out of the way so you can really start having FUN and THAT starts at about level 50. So...zoooooom up and Look Forward To The Real Fun which begins then. Let me reiterate, aside from self-described completionists, many, many people are now at endgame who did NOT accelerate through the levels in a week of living in the game.

Many, many of us touched upon other aspects of the game and took a full 4 months or so and we have still arrived at endgame with the issues which keep being brought up in posts in this forum. Now What. Really. Now What.


In other games, it was a given that you had 'side' content of various sorts but that the leveling would take some dedication and attention if that were your goal and for us to enjoy the journey blah blah blah. You basically didn't get to raid level without knowing your class well; if you pl'd your way there it showed. Here, who gets power leveled really? A few of the harder runs at the very top. Why? CAUSE WE CAN DO IT JUST LIKE YOSHI SAID... efficiently, effectively, little along the way needed which would slow us down, and then: We Could Start Having The Real Fun...at 50.

Thats why more people in this game are crazed about what the hell to do with themselves that has merit, satisfaction and reward AT 50, When Does The Fun continue??????

[myahele]

I agree. Its been months and many people are already lv 50. I play this game causally and took me months to finish the main story. After that I pretty much hit a wall. The end game content is there, just is tedious.

Right now I have goals in game like getting my relic (just need to beat titan hm) getting a million gil. At the end of the day I play they game my own way. I just wish there was plenty to do. I sure there will be more leisure content in future patches.

[NefGP]

It was one million. And yes: that was a lot of money even between 64 people which never showed up. Try 30-40.

I have a feeling you didn't play during NA release or shortly afterwards.

9 years, from start of NA launch. Was never an issue.

[Zarzak]

Also, what you described is instances where content was developed over several years. When we get to that point in 14, all these "OMG this game has no content" issues will disappear. Around the time of ToAU, we finally had enough endgame content to keep even the most hardcore shells in game the entire week.

Your talking about in the instance of a MMO where content remains relevant and useful after it is no longer top tier. That is not the way modern MMOs work (sadly) Content is instantly invalidated left and right. Look at Wow's 1st expansion. The trash drops from mobs 3 levels in were better than top tier raid drops at the time.

Not to mention unlike EQ/XI the events are 3-5 minutes long on average. There would literally have to be 10 events for every 1 event in EQ/XI to equal the content available.

[Edellis]

The amount of balancing required to keep gear relevant yet increase the difficulty of the new content is pretty intricate.

With the sole exception of Phantasy Star Online Ep1&2 I don't know too many games that have ever pulled it off well. And even that game suffered from the unfortunate curse of bad RNG when you got to endgame and got utterly screwed if you didn't happen to come across any of the top-tier rares on your journey there.

[DimerNL]

Vertical gear progression is to blame here imho, the removal of unique stats didn't help either. For people like me who have had all their jobs lvled since 1.23 there will never be enough endgame content. New content will last a month, maybe 2 tops, and with adding said new content all older content will immediately become absolete (unless it becomes a prereq for new content, t1-t5?). People keep saying this game is new, but do not forget the fact YP and co. have been working on it ever since they took over 1.0.

Kudos to you if you're still enjoying the game, i'm happy you find enjoyment in Yoshi and co.'s hard hard work. Personally i'm just bored as hell, i have no desire to even do the rehashed content that are ex primals. And the only reason i do t5 is because my static is still going for their first win and i feel obligated to help them get it.

It just makes me sad seeing this game i had such high hopes for ever since the first day of 1.0 alpha and seeing it end up this way.

[Tiggy]

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Just because it is a side grade, or a downgrade, or not specifically part of end game progression does not invalidate this from being content. You're definition is extremely narrow, and most people would disagree that "content" is only the parts that count to progression. For many people anything that can be done counts as content. Cause..I dunno...content by definition is simply...

content 1 (ˈkɒntɛnt)

— n
1. ( often plural ) everything that is inside a container: the contents of a box
2. ( usually plural )
a. the chapters or divisions of a book
b. a list, printed at the front of a book, of chapters or divisions together with the number of the first page of each
3. the meaning or significance of a poem, painting, or other work of art, as distinguished from its style or form
4. all that is contained or dealt with in a discussion, piece of writing, etc; substance
5. the capacity or size of a thing
6. the proportion of a substance contained in an alloy, mixture, etc: the lead content of petrol

I bolded the ones that probably have the most relevance, but even some of the other definitions could be considered semi-valid here.