Housing..

[ArkhamNative]

Call me elitist, but it's not really special that all the Small plots got bought up. Mediums and Larges > motel rooms.

Most people thought the same thing until SE decided to cut prices in half and add another floor. Plus they confirmed smalls get all benefits of housing, including airship/boat crafting sub-basement.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Still a closet.

[PArcher]

Still a closet.

So...still more than enough space for an entire lala family?


Our Small house may be a little on the small side for 8, but once its expanded it will be just right.

Large are way too big, and medium are just a little too big for us

[Dox]

Call me elitist, but it's not really special that all the Small plots got bought up. Mediums and Larges > motel rooms.

Except that 2.2 is doubling main floor space and adding a basement...

So yeah, get the best spots now and wait it out, otherwise you'll get stuck in Ward 2 or worse...

Most people thought the same thing until SE decided to cut prices in half and add another floor. Plus they confirmed smalls get all benefits of housing, including airship/boat crafting sub-basement.

Our FC can easily afford a Small House. Yet, we are still saving for a Medium one. It would be beneficial to actually see how the expanded Small FC House will look before purchasing one. I would hate to pull the trigger on the purchase of a Small FC House and regret it latter since there is NO option to upgrade (and recover your Gil) to bigger FC House.

[Xystic]

I'm in the highest priced group of servers. I think so many of you completely freaking FAIL to understand that the prices on the higher priced servers are EXPONENTIALLY more expensive than yours.

I clarified this out on the housing forums for an individual who felt the same way. People are missing the point that gil has different weighted values from server to server. Because you have way more players, you generate way more gil and have way more overall gil, the value of gil on each server is very different. Its like going to another country and having your currency swapped for theirs. It would be much easier on the average person if we named our currencies differently. For example, yours can be called gil and our server we'll call it yen.

1,000 gil on your server is equal to 10 yen on ours.

This helps an average person to differentiate that 1000 gil on your server = 10 gil on our server but because we call it all gil thru out all the worlds, the average person believes gil has the same weighted value thru out all the servers. Which is false.

The variations, of FC-lots being bought, we see in each of the population ranges is directly related to the attitude of the population. For example, we have 3 large servers, labeled as [A] [B] [C] with equal number of players. In server [A] 75% of population constantly generates gil, server [B] 50% of the population constantly generates gil and in server [C] only 25% of the population generates gil. The more gil generated on a server, the higher the likely hood more gil gets in to circulation a.K.a gil thru the market board. Obviously server [A] will easily reach the gil sinks before server [B] and server [C]. This is why we see some servers doing way better then others in the same brackets. Its even possible that some servers have come to a complete halt because their population completely refuses to generate any gil or do anything. They prefer not to work for their lots but pout in hopes of extreme price drops to pre 2.1 overall gil/circulation values. This hurts the overall population for that server.

This is why we see variations in the same brackets. Each server, in the same brackets, has the choice to produce the same amount gil but because its a choice, people can choose to do or not do it.

[TrystWildkey]

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That would be a fair comparison in the real world, where earnings are also different based on your country's currency value.

However, other than shuffling existing funds around on the market boards, each server has the exact same conditions for introducing new gil. This is why the pricing is unfair. It's based on already existing gil, and not based on the potential to bring in new gil.

The pricing scheme would make sense if on my server I could sell an item to an npc for 3000gil, but on your server that same item sold to the same npc for only 300gil.

The higher pricing on legacy servers only allows legacy players to buy houses. Legacy players who carried gil from 1.0, or legacy players who played the markets early on. Most new players are at a distinct disadvantage and were effectively locked out of the content. There may be new players who found out early on how to quickly level crafting and were able to play the markets, or who banded together in a FC and sold merc runs. But that's a minority.

SE is punishing the whole class because of that one kid who caused trouble. ^^

[JayCommon]

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You are right, but you are also evading the point Xystic made. Regardless of how much more Gil a house costs across different servers, the fact still remains that most people are relying heavily on the Market Board to make money, when you can generate new Gil into the world at any time you choose. I can sit down for an hour and make 20k gil. This is not other people's money, this is new money created when I finish a levequest. 20k gil is the right leve 6 times. So quick and easy it feels like cheating, but its not

If you spent the time to get the right classes up to the level (which you may or may not already have) and spend just 1 hour a day making 20k gil, that's almost 150k (the leve reward varies, but 20k/6 leves is on the low end of the spectrum) a week. This is on top of anything else you may sell / DR bonuses / dailies / map rewards.....

I could go on but the simple fact is there is literally TONS of ways to make new Gil in this game, and people just disregard it because they want MOAR NAO....

[TrystWildkey]

You are right, but you are also evading the point Xystic made.

I didn't mean to evade a point. But, that point is still proving mine. Every server can make the same amount of new gil. If every server can make the same amount of new gil, totally bypassing market boards, then every server should have the same housing prices.

For me, it's not about how hard I have to work, it's about the fact that SE has decided that I need to work harder than everyone else.

[axemtitanium]

I didn't mean to evade a point. But, that point is still proving mine. Every server can make the same amount of new gil. If every server can make the same amount of new gil, totally bypassing market boards, then every server should have the same housing prices.

For me, it's not about how hard I have to work, it's about the fact that SE has decided that I need to work harder than everyone else.

But different servers don't have different prices anymore! According to this land price calculator (which is accurate according to the people on multiple servers I've talked to), prices on the following servers are ALL IDENTICAL: (world group 3) Bahamut ／ Behemoth ／ Cactuar ／ Carbuncle ／ Chocobo ／ Diabolos ／ Fenrir ／ Garuda ／ Gilgamesh ／ Ifrit ／ Leviathan ／ Mandragora ／ Midgardsormr ／ Odin ／ Ramuh ／ Shiva ／ Siren ／ Tiamat ／ Titan ／ Tonberry ／ Ultros

(world group 2: NA/EU Legacy) Balmung ／ Excalibur ／ Hyperion ／ Ragnarok ／ Sargatanas

(world group 1: JP Legacy) Aegis ／ Durandal ／ Gungnir ／ Masamune ／ Ridill

The only servers that have cheaper prices are as follows: (world group 5) Asura ／ Belias ／ Brynhildr ／ Famfrit ／ Lich ／ Mateus ／ Unicorn ／ Yojimbo ／ Zalera ／ Zeromus

(world group 4) Adamantoise ／ Alexander ／ Anima ／ Atomos ／ Cerberus ／ Coeurl ／ Exodus ／ Faerie ／ Gobli ／ Hades ／ Ixion ／ Kujata ／ Lamia ／ Malboro ／ Moogle ／ Pandaemonium ／ Phoenix ／ Typhon ／ Ultima ／ Valefor


So you DON'T need to work harder than everyone else. Or at least, over 50% of all servers have to work equally hard as you and the other 50% are smaller servers with way fewer people so their GDP is smaller, so having lower prices makes sense.

[KrenianKandos]

On Sargatanas, I know that Mist Ward 1 was around 3/4s full when we bought our small FC.

And to those complaining that it's a closet, our group of 7-8 FC members fit just fine in the house, with no space issues. Got a six table seat, a hot tub that seats 6, couple of benches that sit 2-3 (and I'm a Roe and take spot)

It's all about the size of your group and what you should get. We're fine with what we got and the extra space we WILL get in 2.2 will make it even bigger. Very happy with our location as it was a general agreement that we wanted a shot at the oceanfront.

But no, Small homes are not as bad as people make it out to be.