Housing..

[TrystWildkey]

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That would be a fair comparison in the real world, where earnings are also different based on your country's currency value.

However, other than shuffling existing funds around on the market boards, each server has the exact same conditions for introducing new gil. This is why the pricing is unfair. It's based on already existing gil, and not based on the potential to bring in new gil.

The pricing scheme would make sense if on my server I could sell an item to an npc for 3000gil, but on your server that same item sold to the same npc for only 300gil.

The higher pricing on legacy servers only allows legacy players to buy houses. Legacy players who carried gil from 1.0, or legacy players who played the markets early on. Most new players are at a distinct disadvantage and were effectively locked out of the content. There may be new players who found out early on how to quickly level crafting and were able to play the markets, or who banded together in a FC and sold merc runs. But that's a minority.

SE is punishing the whole class because of that one kid who caused trouble. ^^

[JayCommon]

other stuff

You are right, but you are also evading the point Xystic made. Regardless of how much more Gil a house costs across different servers, the fact still remains that most people are relying heavily on the Market Board to make money, when you can generate new Gil into the world at any time you choose. I can sit down for an hour and make 20k gil. This is not other people's money, this is new money created when I finish a levequest. 20k gil is the right leve 6 times. So quick and easy it feels like cheating, but its not

If you spent the time to get the right classes up to the level (which you may or may not already have) and spend just 1 hour a day making 20k gil, that's almost 150k (the leve reward varies, but 20k/6 leves is on the low end of the spectrum) a week. This is on top of anything else you may sell / DR bonuses / dailies / map rewards.....

I could go on but the simple fact is there is literally TONS of ways to make new Gil in this game, and people just disregard it because they want MOAR NAO....

[TrystWildkey]

You are right, but you are also evading the point Xystic made.

I didn't mean to evade a point. But, that point is still proving mine. Every server can make the same amount of new gil. If every server can make the same amount of new gil, totally bypassing market boards, then every server should have the same housing prices.

For me, it's not about how hard I have to work, it's about the fact that SE has decided that I need to work harder than everyone else.

[axemtitanium]

I didn't mean to evade a point. But, that point is still proving mine. Every server can make the same amount of new gil. If every server can make the same amount of new gil, totally bypassing market boards, then every server should have the same housing prices.

For me, it's not about how hard I have to work, it's about the fact that SE has decided that I need to work harder than everyone else.

But different servers don't have different prices anymore! According to this land price calculator (which is accurate according to the people on multiple servers I've talked to), prices on the following servers are ALL IDENTICAL: (world group 3) Bahamut ／ Behemoth ／ Cactuar ／ Carbuncle ／ Chocobo ／ Diabolos ／ Fenrir ／ Garuda ／ Gilgamesh ／ Ifrit ／ Leviathan ／ Mandragora ／ Midgardsormr ／ Odin ／ Ramuh ／ Shiva ／ Siren ／ Tiamat ／ Titan ／ Tonberry ／ Ultros

(world group 2: NA/EU Legacy) Balmung ／ Excalibur ／ Hyperion ／ Ragnarok ／ Sargatanas

(world group 1: JP Legacy) Aegis ／ Durandal ／ Gungnir ／ Masamune ／ Ridill

The only servers that have cheaper prices are as follows: (world group 5) Asura ／ Belias ／ Brynhildr ／ Famfrit ／ Lich ／ Mateus ／ Unicorn ／ Yojimbo ／ Zalera ／ Zeromus

(world group 4) Adamantoise ／ Alexander ／ Anima ／ Atomos ／ Cerberus ／ Coeurl ／ Exodus ／ Faerie ／ Gobli ／ Hades ／ Ixion ／ Kujata ／ Lamia ／ Malboro ／ Moogle ／ Pandaemonium ／ Phoenix ／ Typhon ／ Ultima ／ Valefor


So you DON'T need to work harder than everyone else. Or at least, over 50% of all servers have to work equally hard as you and the other 50% are smaller servers with way fewer people so their GDP is smaller, so having lower prices makes sense.

[Dox]

Regardless of how much more Gil a house costs across different servers, the fact still remains that most people are relying heavily on the Market Board to make money, when you can generate new Gil into the world at any time you choose. I can sit down for an hour and make 20k gil. This is not other people's money, this is new money created when I finish a levequest. 20k gil is the right leve 6 times. So quick and easy it feels like cheating, but its not

A little off topic but which leves are you running? Are they combat or crafting leves? Thanks

[JayCommon]

A little off topic but which leves are you running? Are they combat or crafting leves? Thanks

Culinarian. Level 40 Apple Juice leve in Limsa (Made by Apple in Coerthas). It takes such little amount of effort its ridiculous. One ingredient. Apples!! Gather them at level 41 botanist. So easy to HQ also.

[Xystic]

If every server can make the same amount of new gil, totally bypassing market boards, then every server should have the same housing prices.

We have the exact same methods for producing gil but each server has a different max amount of gil it can produce daily directly correlated to the servers population.

For example a server that has 12,000 players generating their max 25k a day will produce 300,000,000 million gil a day, while a small server of 3,500 players at 25k a day will only be able produce 87,500,000 million gil a day at MAX. At max gil generation, smaller servers will never reach numbers like larger servers. Server size directly correlates to how much a server can pump out at MAX gil generation.

It would be illogical to put legacy or high population prices on smaller or medium servers, when it would take nearly x3 more work or even more for those servers. When we do the math, regardless of the server sizes, its the same amount of work required for each server even if it appears 80 million Gil cheaper. The max output gil generation of smaller servers and medium servers would never match those of a fully populated server.

[TrystWildkey]

very good points

I would agree with you if the pricing had been based solely on population. Unfortunately, it was based on the amount of gil in existence.

[KyrsIsley]

I would agree with you if the pricing had been based solely on population. Unfortunately, it was based on the amount of gil in existence.

Except, they are all the same price now across all servers.

[Lingarn]

For example a server that has 12,000 players generating their max 25k a day will produce 300,000,000 million gil a day, while a small server of 3,500 players at 25k a day will only be able produce 87,500,000 million gil a day at MAX.

It would be illogical to put legacy or high population prices on smaller or medium servers, when it would take nearly x3 more work or even more for those servers. When we do the math, regardless of the server sizes, its the same amount of work required for each server even if it appears 80 million Gil cheaper

The problem with your math is that there is no indication that the total free company size is different per server. X people in a FC x 25K is the same on a high pop server as it is on a low pop one; exact same buying power.

The problem for SE is that there are more FCs with high member counts on high pop servers, which would allow more houses of a given size to be bought -- SE can't support a house for every free company, so they have to raise prices.