Current State of the Game

[Pyrorebirth]

Weekly caps are fairly new in the timeline of MMOs... and not all players have considered them to be a good thing.

fairly new?
WoW 3 January 2006 - AQ got a weekly reset....lets look on the calendar...its 2014!

[Zanfire]

@Slatervonjager its kind of funny cause your sig kind of shows how accepting people are of slow grinds and stuff like rare drops/difficult-deeper gameplay. Monster hunter is one of japan's biggest franchises ever, even in the west it sells quite well, and that game contains stuff most MMOs now treat like its the devil. It can be very grind, Its very much about rare drops, repetitive type content, Doesnt hold your hand, and it has some randomness and depth to it....yet it sells like crack cocaine and you see constant ripoffs of it (which mostly dont work out well).

It just goes to show that those kind of aspects of games still work for people...lots of them...Yet games like this fight for the opposite short term, easy peasy, hand it to me on a silver platrer style of game.

[Imapooonu]

The state of the game will be better when the mmo hoppers leave, and so will the forums.

They say this, and do this to every forum they enter.

If people are so interested in improving the game, why don't most use the suggestion section instead of general discussion?

[Tazo]

The state of the game will be better when the mmo hoppers leave, and so will the forums.

They say this, and do this to every forum they enter.

If people are so interested in improving the game, why don't most use the suggestion section instead of general discussion?

The problem here is that SE is catering to those same MMO hoppers while at the same time destroying the relationship with the players that stick around.

[Imapooonu]

The problem here is that SE is catering to those same MMO hoppers while at the same time destroying the relationship with the players that stick around.

There's two types of hoppers:

*The casual player that tries out any kind of game anytime without any rhyme or reason and usually doesn't vocalize anything negative or positive.
*The mmo player that plays non-stop, only plays mmos and if they don't like an mmo they go to every forum they can vocalizing every negative aspect they can think of, usually in the wrong sections while trolling anyone they can that is enjoying the experience.

I meant the latter. I'm fine with casuals.

[darthkyron]

There's two types of hoppers:

*The casual player that tries out any kind of game anytime without any rhyme or reason and usually doesn't vocalize anything negative or positive.
*The mmo player that plays non-stop, only plays mmos and if they don't like an mmo they go to every forum they can vocalizing every negative aspect they can think of, usually in the wrong sections while trolling anyone they can that is enjoying the experience.

I meant the latter. I'm fine with casuals.

You could say that BUT the latter are the ones that kept the game alive and subscribe to IT when they needed our support.
With out US . this POS wouldn't be launched and had a second chance.

[Slatervonjager]

@Slatervonjager its kind of funny cause your sig kind of shows how accepting people are of slow grinds and stuff like rare drops/difficult-deeper gameplay. Monster hunter is one of japan's biggest franchises ever, even in the west it sells quite well, and that game contains stuff most MMOs now treat like its the devil. It can be very grind, Its very much about rare drops, repetitive type content, Doesnt hold your hand, and it has some randomness and depth to it....yet it sells like crack cocaine and you see constant ripoffs of it (which mostly dont work out well).

It just goes to show that those kind of aspects of games still work for people...lots of them...Yet games like this fight for the opposite short term, easy peasy, hand it to me on a silver platrer style of game.

In Japan, yes it sells well. I would have said "how lazy non asian players are", but didn't want to start a debate over the asian vs everyone subject.

However out side of japan, MH does not do that well. in fact, compared to other games, MH is pretty much a no body. A player base of 1 million or less outside of asian countries is not very popular(especially after capcom's big FU to it's older playerbase). I played MH for years, and was very fond of the game, but I cannot begin to tell you how many people refused to play such a great game simply because they don't want to deal with a grind fest. Most games of and RPG nature produced in non asian countries have either dumbed down their grind process, or just eliminated it all together. They just make things easier and easier. Even MH has gotten ridiculously easy as capcom has tried to appeal to the casual gaming crowd with it(as well as nintendo owners).

The problem is, the days of games being hard and very popular has gone out the window pretty much in favor of easy holding your hand games(in non asian countries, just to clear it up). It's a Miracle that Dark Souls did so well, despite the fact that barely anyone knew what demon's souls was. I'm not saying easy games are a bad thing, we all like to sit back and just play mario or sonic or whatever to relax, I'm saying its a damn shame that most players don't want to work towards anything. Those of us that do work for things, are few in number compared to them.

[darthkyron]

@Slatervonjager its kind of funny cause your sig kind of shows how accepting people are of slow grinds and stuff like rare drops/difficult-deeper gameplay. Monster hunter is one of japan's biggest franchises ever, even in the west it sells quite well, and that game contains stuff most MMOs now treat like its the devil. It can be very grind, Its very much about rare drops, repetitive type content, Doesnt hold your hand, and it has some randomness and depth to it....yet it sells like crack cocaine and you see constant ripoffs of it (which mostly dont work out well).

It just goes to show that those kind of aspects of games still work for people...lots of them...Yet games like this fight for the opposite short term, easy peasy, hand it to me on a silver platrer style of game.

Well TBH i feel that FFXIV ARR is designed for western gamers (specially usa generation X console gamers,yes i had the nerve to said this we all think this but not many people dare to say it)

[Zanfire]

Well TBH i feel that FFXIV ARR is designed for western gamers (specially usa console gamers)

It is, which is sort of weird, we do have plenty of those already, but when you see the more recent Mh games sales (tri and the WiiU version) you see the western sales are going up. MH has been pretty limited outside of japan, we never got half the games and most of the ones we did get are on handhelds and mainly systems that didnt sell well (excluding the wii, which had its own sales of software issues in the first place). Just like the fantastic Resident Evil 1 remake on gamecube, you cant say it was bad and noone wanted it, you just only sold it to the lest selling system and the one aimed at a younger playerbase.

[darthkyron]

It is, which is sort of weird, we do have plenty of those already, but when you see the more recent Mh games sales (tri and the WiiU version) you see the western sales are going up. MH has been pretty limited outside of japan, we never got half the games and most of the ones we did get are on handhelds and mainly systems that didnt sell well (excluding the wii, which had its own sales of software issues in the first place). Just like the fantastic Resident Evil 1 remake on gamecube, you cant say it was bad and noone wanted it, you just only sold it to the lest selling system and the one aimed at a younger playerbase.

I have to say RE remake for the gamecube was such a nice game. I wish capcom remake 1-2 3 and veronica the same way.
I'm glad you didn't take my "usa console gamer" comment personally, i meant it in a NO personal attack to anyone.