Full i90 PLD should not get gibbed by Twintania from full HP.

[dron13]

Stopped reading here. 4k health? What are we level 48?

Your numbers also do not take into consideration critical heals, and IB on top of critical heals, and critical IB.

Does not have time to use SS? Ever heard of swiftcast? You can use swift+SS every other DS. Summoner can swift rez.

@ everyone else, thanks for the laughs, basing all of your argument off someone elses horrible numbers of a level 48 character in ilvl 40 gear, pretty much a joke of an argument.

Oh and to the hallowed ground argument, who even HGs a Death Sentence? Are you high?

1) You talked about difference between damage reduction - I shown you how much damage you will take when you have equal situations. Why the hell you are considering level?
If you want to use your PLD as example - ok - change 4000 HP to 7000 HP. The damage reduction is the same:
7000 HP with 800 (1000*0.8) damage equal to 8750 HP ( 7000*1.25) with 1000 damage - both will need 8.75 hits to kill you.
2) crits are plain damage increase - 1.5x damage. So 800 damage will become 1200, and 1000 damage will become 1500. 7000 HP with 1200 damage equal to 8750 HP with 1500 damage again - 5.83 hits to kill you.
3) Swiftcast has 60s cooldown - and if you waste it on SS, then you won't be able to swift-res someone in "oh, sh*t" moments or swift-heal. Anyways, every DS comes each 30 seconds, right? Then he can swiftcast SS on you in only half of the situations.
4) Critical heals - look at p.2, same plain increase here, and I already shown the numbers - better heals are on PLD if we consider Shield Oath and Defiance.
5) stop being rude, please. I hear only "we dont consider this, we don't consider that", but it's only words - show real numbers, potency example, formulas, screenshots, that can show us that you are right.

[Kuwagami]

Stopped reading here. 4k health? What are we level 48?

Your numbers also do not take into consideration critical heals, and IB on top of critical heals, and critical IB.

@ everyone else, thanks for the laughs, basing all of your argument off someone elses horrible numbers of a level 48 character in ilvl 40 gear, pretty much a joke of an argument.

You surely don't know what a simplified example is.


Do it with 6000 hp
WAR now have 7500 hp
it takes 8 blows to kill a war, while the pld will take the same 8 blows to die.

With the same 1000 heal, it takes 6 to heal the pld, while with these 6 the war will be 300 hp short to full.

Even with crits, it takes 4 to top off a pld, and the war is STILL 300 hp short. your IB argument fails at that point since it will barely fit these missing hp. only a crit IB gives a 150 overheal which is totally worthless at that point.

then we take the 20% damage reduction for let's say 2 hits. war get 400 less damage for next calculation, so your next IB will be worthless apart the mitigation effect, which now makes you equal to the pld. strictly equal.


TL DR : do your math

[Pesmergia]

The main argument is IB can literally land instantly after a DS before heals even land which pushes the WAR in that millisecond above the mitigation of PLD when it matters, because no heals have landed yet from your healers.

[Kuwagami]

If you land IB after DS you're doing it incredibly wrong... Plus the damage reduction comes after a full second so if you time it right after DS hit, you'll still get killed by other instant stuff before mitigation comes.

[Omagana]

[Pesmergia]

If you land IB after DS you're doing it incredibly wrong... Plus the damage reduction comes after a full second so if you time it right after DS hit, you'll still get killed by other instant stuff before mitigation comes.

Can you not have the damage reduction up before DS, and still have 5 stacks waiting for the heal? I thought you could.

[Kuwagami]

Can you not have the damage reduction up before DS, and still have 5 stacks waiting for the heal? I thought you could.

I actually read this twice to make sure I had not misread.

basically, you're ranting about something you have absolutely no clue about. No disrespect intended, really, but if you don't know the mechanics read a bit please. the obly way to get 5 stacks that quick is to use the 60 sec CD infuriate...

[Snorgrind]

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Infuriate

Nice pic. Funny how you people accuse me of being rude when you are the ones being rude!

i know about infuriate, reaction was to the whole topic. anyway amount of HP IB gives without berserkcrit is less than health potion so why not use that as pld ?

[Exstal]

And you're wrong. My 1st reply was I died on the last conflag each time. Don't believe me? I can give you my teamspeak info and have my team vouch? I'd love to know "How I am tanking Twintania wrong", if I have already used up all my available cooldowns except HG. Because this literally happened 3 seconds before Divebombs.

It's simple. If lesser geared Paladins live through everything in first two phases and you can't, it's not a problem with the mechanic.

[Exstal]

Rather than give it in text, or ask people to join your Teamspeak to face a bunch of biased players, it'd be better if you could provide a recording of you getting one shot.