Full i90 PLD should not get gibbed by Twintania from full HP.

[Wizhard]

Over all PLD is still better then WAR. War having higher HP doesn't make it the better tank for Twin.

Warrior is objectively a better main tank for twintania because of IB, just like 2 paladins are better tanks for turn4 because of longer CD durations and HG.

[Ooshima]

Warrior is objectively a better main tank for twintania because of IB, just like 2 paladins are better tanks for turn4 because of longer CD durations and HG.

+1. Our raid does the same, WAR MT, PLD OT. WAR's IB and a SS on that large amount of HP does makes it easier to manage death sentences and stuff while the longer CD of PLD and non-root invulnerability still HG makes it more efficient for PLD to be an OT and kite the adds/snakes around/eat hatch.

[Pesmergia]

Good job, OP. It's always nice to see someone yet again giving tanks a bad name.

Just tanked TT today, easily got to snakes. /shrug No problems, guess it was the bad heals.

[Ooshima]

Just tanked TT today, easily got to snakes. /shrug No problems, guess it was the bad heals.

Wait till Twister/DK phase onwards, Death Sentence is gonna hit you harder than Phase 1.

[AunaYuuki]

Teach your whm to pre-heal before every death sentence. Not only that if you take a sch aldo before every death sentence + virus. E4E when possible. A lot of groups single tank twin with one pld. They did it before WAR boost and still do it to this day. Is it the best way to go? *shrugs* It works.

[Thorauku]

Virus isn't that reliable anymore, but ye, it still helps.

[Maelwys]

Yes and Death Sentence is every 30 seconds there Einstein. Do the math. All my cds are over a minute.

Lol @ the irony of your post.

Seriously?

WAR have it easier but it is by no means impossible for a PLD plus one healer to rotate their cooldowns so that EVERY SINGLE death sentence is drastically mitigated.
Rotate your cooldowns better or Tankswap during the DS's.

Stoneskin/Adloquium are certainly nice to have but should NOT be relied upon to save your skin every time.

Copy/Pasting from our FC forums:


*************************************************************
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Twintania Single-PLD "Death Sentence" Rotation Order:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

DS#1 - MT Rampart (Optional: SCH +Sacred Soil)
DS#2 - MT Sentinel [Never needs more mitigation]
DS#3 - *** VIRUS ***
DS#4 - MT Rampart (Optional: SCH +Sacred Soil)
DS#5 - MT Foresight/Awareness/Conv/Bulwark (Optional: Sacred Soil/Eye for an Eye)
DS#6 - *** VIRUS ***
[Repeat from start]

Hallowed Ground is kept available for emergencies.

In later phases (after conflags) the damage from Death Sentences also inflict "Infirmity", which reduces healing received.
This is when using "Sacred Soil" prior to the hit or Lustrates after the hit can become a good idea.
The Paladin can also use Bloodbath (unaffected by healing debuffs) to help keep themselves topped up.

The alternative is to rotate Virus between two people, so that it gets used every other Death Sentence:

DS#1 - MT Rampart
DS#2 - *** VIRUS ***
DS#3 - MT Sentinel
DS#4 - *** MT Rampart plus VIRUS ***
DS#5 - MT Foresight/Awareness/Conv/Bulwark
DS#6 - *** VIRUS ***
[Repeat from start]

However this alternative rotation doesn't really mesh with PLD's Cooldown timers quite as well.
It also has the potential to fail if one of the virus-casters gets locked in a conflag at precisely the wrong moment.
Using the first rotation but having a Backup Virus-caster would be the safer option.
*************************************************************


And for the record:


*************************************************************
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Twintania Double-PLD "Death Sentence" Rotation Order:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

DS#1 - MT Rampart
DS#2 - MT Sentinel
DS#3 - MT Foresight/Awareness/Conv/Bulwark plus Eye for an Eye.
DS#4 - MT Rampart
***** TANK SWAP *****
DS#5 - OT Sentinel
DS#6 - OT Rampart (plus whatever other buffs the OT has available if no adds)
***** TANK SWAP *****
[Repeat from start]

This rotation provides a little more solid mitigation and frees up Virus to be used as-needed.
However tank swapping can be DANGEROUS if the OT ends up otherwise occupied prior to the swap (e.g. trapped in a Conflag!)
*************************************************************

*************************************************************
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Twintania "Optimal" Rotation Order with a WAR MT:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

DS#1 - MT Inner Beast/Foresight/Mantra plus Teammate#1's Virus
DS#2 - MT Inner Beast/Vengence plus WHM Divine Seal + "Cure II"
DS#3 - MT Inner Beast/Conv/Featherfoot plus Teammate#2's Virus
DS#4 - MT Inner Beast/Thrill of Battle plus WHM Divine Seal + "Cure II"
[Repeat from Start]

This is pretty much the SAFEST POSSIBLE means of dealing with "Death Sentence".
It requires two players with Virus, a WAR MT and a WHM.

The WAR rotates in Healing buffs (Mantra and Convalesence) whenever there is no Divine Seal + Cure II available.
The WAR rotates in extra raw damage mitigation (Vengence and Thrill of Battle) whenever there is no Virus available.
Bloodbath can be used by the WAR as-needed to keep themselves topped up. Holmgang is kept for emergencies.
*************************************************************

[T1M0N]

Our paladin is ilvl 90 aswell and we got the same problem sometimes.
Getting Oneshotted.Actually during the twister phase,if he does not have the scholar spell(forgot the name) and stoneskin he dies at 100%.And that's why we got LB 3 at the last phase.
Btw our War have inner beast aswell and he already main tanked the boss but inner beast is NOT enough when the boss is doing death sentence>auto hit>and his cleave(forgot the name in english also x_x)He have to use at least one CD.

[Fallstrider]

Btw our War have inner beast aswell and he already main tanked the boss but inner beast is NOT enough when the boss is doing death sentence>auto hit>and his cleave(forgot the name in english also x_x)He have to use at least one CD.

The only times she should do all three consecutively is when she's on the move, ie phase 2 and 4 transitions, for those I pull Vengeance + Foresight. Otherwise, IB is plenty. Make sure he uses it pre-emptively, if you press the button during the cast animation there's a big risk that it won't get up in time (even if the buff appears in time, it has 1-2 seconds delay untill the server recognises that it's up (When WILL Square-Enix implement European servers, I wonder?)).

[Pesmergia]

DS#1 - MT Rampart (Optional: SCH +Sacred Soil)
DS#2 - MT Sentinel [Never needs more mitigation]
DS#3 - *** VIRUS ***
DS#4 - MT Rampart (Optional: SCH +Sacred Soil)
DS#5 - MT Foresight/Awareness/Conv/Bulwark (Optional: Sacred Soil/Eye for an Eye)
DS#6 - *** VIRUS ***
[Repeat from start]

Hallowed Ground is kept available for emergencies.

Foresight/Bulwark do not mitigate DS, they mitigate the attacks after DS. PLD have 2 cd to mitigate DS, wherein lies our problem, because we have to rely on healers more than WAR does.

BLOODBATH!? Dunno if serious or not...

Everyone knows the rotation for DS, no reason to even post it honestly.

Basically this guy has it right:

Warrior is objectively a better main tank for twintania because of IB, just like 2 paladins are better tanks for turn4 because of longer CD durations and HG.

Seriously?

Seriously.