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    Different party sizes in the future

    I see a lot of complaints about dps having to wait 60-90+ min for a dungeon or ct while tanks and healers get near instant queues. This is due to the disproportionate people who play dps vs tank/healer One possible solution is in a future expansion SE changes the party sizes.

    Currently a light party 1 tank 1 healer 2 dps. That is 1 tank/healer for every 2 dps
    Full party is 2 tank 2 healer 4 dps. Still keeps the same ration of 1 tank/healer per 2 dps.

    One solution would be to change light to 5 and full party to 10
    Light 1 tank 1 healer 3 dps
    Full 2 tank 2 healer 6 dps

    This would reduce the queue times some for dps by allowing more dps per tank and healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    healers get near instant queues
    I agree with the DPS ratio needing to be upped, but are you kidding me?





    Root solution to the problem is to find a way to get more people to play tanks. That is all.
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    Last edited by Lyrinn; 02-10-2014 at 09:38 AM.

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    I agree with the OP 100%

    SE will never force me to play a Tank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Currently a light party 1 tank 1 healer 2 dps. That is 1 tank/healer for every 2 dps
    Full party is 2 tank 2 healer 4 dps. Still keeps the same ration of 1 tank/healer per 2 dps.

    One solution would be to change light to 5 and full party to 10
    Light 1 tank 1 healer 3 dps
    Full 2 tank 2 healer 6 dps

    This would reduce the queue times some for dps by allowing more dps per tank and healer.
    I so want to support your idea, Zumi, but I know someone will eventually come here and say "y 3 deepz?? shuld b3 2 deepz adn 1 suport herp derp" and thus ruin things. Oh what the hell, I'll still support your idea.
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    this is something i dont get with any mmos developed post wow development with regards to the holy trinity and dps queues, the data has been present for so long and widely acknowledged that dps wait a long time compared to tanks, in this game, healers have to wait too to some degree.
    the current best solution, is pretty much what the OP has suggested, per instance, have 1 tank, and a large roster of dpsers in there, tbh, all the 8 mans should be 1 tank 1 / 2 healer and rest dps, and tbh, standard dungeons should be 10 man, its just the nature of the beast, we wont ever get away from it, as long as its pooling the numbers as mmos are currently doing, wow is still doing it because its stuck with it, other devs have had such prime opportunity to relieve this, have bigger parties with the only need of 1 tank and more dps in a group.
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    If/when they release support roles,

    1 Tank, 1 healer, 1 support, 3 DPS.

    Mmm.
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    How about we go way back. Let's make this official.

    SE, we want 15 man parties back. Maybe bring back behests with only 15 slots too so you have to mash on the enter button (or whatever your confirmation button is) to try and get a spot.
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    I'd rather see 6 man light parties and 12 man full parties, with 48 (4 party) raids.

    If you are going by the ratio of tanks to healers to dps, though, it might need to be 10 man parties - 1 tank, 2 healers, and 7 dps, for a light party.
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    We really don't need 6 tanks for CT. It's just slowing others' queues down and we end up with "offtanks" in spiritbind gear trying to get their HP as low as possible so they can snooze past the whole run. Change the duty role requirements for CT please.

    And the fight mechanic "Swap tank at 2 or 3 debuff stacks" is becoming repetitive. It's obviously a mechanic to force groups to utilize 2 tanks.
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    Last edited by aivedoir; 02-10-2014 at 01:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrinn View Post

    Root solution to the problem is to find a way to get more people to play tanks. That is all.
    No, please don't. I like my insta-ques as a tank
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