Ezorean Pride Parade (open to all)

[Hycinthus]

I think we should let the OP have whatever parade/event he wants to, and no bashing. how would you feel if you try to organize an event and everyone condemns it right away?

[Shioban]

That really has ticked me off - at what point did I say SE or the community were anti-LGBT? Seriously?
Also where did I say this was a strike back?
Oh I didnt!

OH I don't know, perhaps the one or two subtle hints perhaps.

I suggest this as a fun event to promote community cohesion and to as away of showing support to the whole equality in events for the future (see the complaints about valentines day).

oh the whole LGBT thing lately might. be related to the valentines event and the current rampant abuse in Russia - yet some of you think we should have an Olympic event to celebrate to the Russian games.

If you didn't have an Agenda you wouldn't have even mentioned equality. That is an AGENDA.

The only clear reason behind this is 'Attention Mongering', unless someone else can prove otherwise. Even as a community event, this seems to be the only reason behind it.

[Alaray]

OH I don't know, perhaps the one or two subtle hints perhaps.

If you didn't have an Agenda you wouldn't have even mentioned equality. That is an AGENDA.

Since when is promoting goodwill and communal togetherness such a wretched, dirty little thing?

There's controversy (or was, whatever) and someone decided to say "hey, I'll put together a positive event with a positive message to try to create a more positive atmosphere regarding the issue" ... so what's the big deal? Honestly.

[Hali]

Since when is promoting goodwill and communal togetherness such a wretched, dirty little thing?

There's controversy (or was, whatever) and someone decided to say "hey, I'll put together a positive event with a positive message to try to create a more positive atmosphere regarding the issue" ... so what's the big deal? Honestly.

[Shioban]

Since when is promoting goodwill and communal togetherness such a wretched, dirty little thing?

There's controversy (or was, whatever) and someone decided to say "hey, I'll put together a positive event with a positive message to try to create a more positive atmosphere regarding the issue" ... so what's the big deal? Honestly.

I don't see the 'goodwill' and 'communal togetherness' your sexuality, religion, prefered type of wine does not matter in this game. As much as the minds of the many might be jaded into thinking it really matters in FFXIV because "We're one big community!". It really doesn't.

My point is;

If it was just a community event they wouldn't have labelled it 'Gay' or 'Cats only', so that completely difutes the togetherness part of things no?
If they didn't want to push a point, they wouldn't even have mentioned "Show our support for equality" AT ALL. (even though there wasn't even any discrimination to begin with).

Ridiculous.

[Alaray]

I don't see the 'goodwill' and 'communal togetherness' your sexuality, religion, prefered type of wine does not matter in this game. As much as the minds of the many might be jaded into thinking it really matters in FFXIV because "We're one big community!". It really doesn't.

My point is;

If it was just a community event they wouldn't have labelled it 'Gay' or 'Cats only', so that completely difutes the togetherness part of things no?
If they didn't want to push a point, they wouldn't even have mentioned "Show our support for equality" AT ALL. (even though there wasn't even any discrimination to begin with).

Ridiculous.

So people can't be bothered that an aspect of the game they play, something that's community driven, didn't include or acknowledge them? Or that there's serious discussion going on about whether or not those preferences will even be allowed in systems the game intends to eventually put into the game for players to enjoy and use with one another? What, wanting a little bit of acknowledgement and respect in a video game a wide variety of people play and enjoy is somehow some negative thing that everyone needs to rail against because it's some taboo political topic (that those people railing against it make it to be) all the while complaining and being offended over people feeling offended that they weren't considered in some aspects of the game and went completely unacknowledged? Saying "I'd like there to be -insert character with x gender/sexuality" or "why can't the quest text of this event be a little more inclusive, than exclusive?" is suddenly some politically charged statement that would ruin everything because that one character, that one request, that one desire for some sort of acknowledgement would take away a slot from the standard straight character that we already have twenty+ of? (and sexuality comes up in a multitude of ways in... everything -- a character referring to past loves, marriages, having kids, current relationships, interests: things that romantically develop characters and give them a different dimension --- all of these things, with any character, in a fantasy universe, are related directly back to that character's sexuality... obviously?)

That seems to be what has people's panties in a bunch in the first place, and then this idea came along to just say "everyone's welcome in the game, everyone deserves some acknowledgement and we're not out to destroy your game or your fun" to promote community (how on earth is it tearing it apart? You know, apart from the people acting like it's some devil-spawned plan... that's... somehow... hurting... something?) And they didn't label it "LGBT" only (it doesn't only stand for only 'gay' either, so) it's just a LGBT focused event since, you know, everything else in the game (besides for one minor statement made by a sidequest NPC towards female characters) is straight/cis-focused if it involves relationships/gender expression and so forth.

You're offended over nothing, you're just spitting on someone else's fun.

Ridiculous.

[Fiorana]

Since when is promoting goodwill and communal togetherness such a wretched, dirty little thing?

There's controversy (or was, whatever) and someone decided to say "hey, I'll put together a positive event with a positive message to try to create a more positive atmosphere regarding the issue" ... so what's the big deal? Honestly.

They're promoting a lifestyle a large portion of people disagree with so it will cause issues, if you saw nazis parading around promoting thier arian brotherhood you would be miffed too wouldn't you? what the LGBT's are doing is no different, they're just promoting stuff a lot of people rather not get involved in.

[-ipsen-]

well, people sometimes organize events such as 'all lalafels get on your ahriman mounts and let's make a train of cuteness'.
i realise this is different because it's less silly, but if you don't want to join, just don't, as if you didn't if you weren't a cute lala on a floating eye.
i spend most of my time in-game on instances and not really socialising and participating in the community, but i'm glad not everyone is like me! otherwise there would be no community at all.

[Alaray]

They're promoting a lifestyle a large portion of people disagree with so it will cause issues, if you saw nazis parading around promoting thier arian brotherhood you would be miffed too wouldn't you? what the LGBT's are doing is no different, they're just promoting stuff a lot of people rather not get involved in.

You just compared LGBT people to Nazis. What.

LGBT people are people who have an unchangeable characteristic about them that harms nobody, but I guess that makes LGBT people comparable to Nazis, yeah? Because it's an ideology that promotes genocide. Totally. Totally the same thing. Wow.

(Guess what: LGBT people don't want to convert people, I have no idea where the first idiot pulled that nugget from... LGBT people just want to, you know... exist? Be able to feel safe? Welcomed? Because... we're people too? It does no harm to anyone else... at all, there isn't a credible scientific study that points to LGBT people being... harmful to... straight/cis people [though the opposite is kinda true, what with the discrimination and violence that persist in the real world]... while I mean, the harm the Nazis did is pretty obvious to anyone who has eyes. I don't care about your prejudice, how you don't like X type of people because you think anything other than straight/cis people is wrong -- stop pushing your religious, political and real world ideology into the games we play. It's a fantasy world, things can be different -- you know, a place where people don't get their panties in a bunch over a guy who says "yeah, I had a wonderful date with a cool guy" because getting offended by that is oh so mature).

[Memoe]

It's always easy for those whose rights are not concerned.

Marriage isn't even in game yet. I don't think there even are things in this game where it matters if you're gay or straight. But when and if there ever will be, I expect equality.

On topic: I think pride parades are quite silly. ;p