This game dont need monks ... useless job

[Fellesarah]

This is the conclusion I took on the monk, nobody needs it, the entire content of the game can be done without the monk, and a Dragoon and Bard are the best options for a serious coil group.
Square Enix needs to rethink the role of the monk in the game.

Monks cons

Low melee dps compared to Dragoon
Has no evasive action as the Bard and the Dragoon
One Ilm puch is garbage
Mantra is garbage
horrible weapons (monk weapon design department needs to resign)


Monk pros

none

[warren-ragnarok]

troll thread or bad gamer? too hard to know this answer

[Yummie]

Monk is a great class, you're just playing wrong.

[Atreides]

Monks are one of the best single target DPS.

[Desidious]

I'll take a monk over a third ranged on Ultima HM any day. Past two times me(DRG) and a monk were paired we didn't even have a second Ifrit charge with plumes phase the DPS was so good. By the way, I can actually admit that monk has the highest average DPS over dragoons but they are more position based.

[YuiKitahara]

i have never played monk, but in our group monk can do the highest dps in coil o.o

[Squa]

i have never played monk, but in our group monk can do the highest dps in coil o.o

> uses parsers

[NintenPyjak64]

Low melee dps compared to Dragoon
Has no evasive action as the Bard and the Dragoon
One Ilm puch is garbage
Mantra is garbage
horrible weapons (monk weapon design department needs to resign)

1) Monk and Summoner are considered top tier ST DPS
2) Featherfoot and Second Wind are nice supplements (remember Second Wind is boosted by the Third Wind trait)
3) I'll agree with this
4) My static's Monk and even both bards use Mantra (one at a time obviously) for big AoE attacks where we'll be stacked together. As a WHM this is greatly appreciated
5) I'll agree to some extent (Hellish Claws should be made a little smaller)

Monk pros:
See #1. The problem is not many monks know how to play properly. I often find myself on my i77 (crit/det) Monk outDPSing i80+ (mostly SkS) Monks fairly often

EDIT: So I don't offend anybody, I didn't say ALL monks don't know how to play properly, but there's far far FAR more bad then good monks. Even I don't consider myself good, I just let my [basic] rotation do the talking

EDIT 2: ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION... Dragon Kick's debuff also is an INT reduction. A good monk will upkeep this 100% (for their own DPS really) so if any boss does magic damage it's an added bonus

[Ricdeau]

This is the conclusion I took on the monk, nobody needs it, the entire content of the game can be done without the monk, and a Dragoon and Bard are the best options for a serious coil group.
Square Enix needs to rethink the role of the monk in the game.

Monks cons

Low melee dps compared to Dragoon
Has no evasive action as the Bard and the Dragoon
One Ilm puch is garbage
Mantra is garbage
horrible weapons (monk weapon design department needs to resign)


Monk pros

none

Only a single true thing was stated in the first post, and that's that One Ilm Punch is garbage. The rest is senseless drivel. Monk is great the way it is.

[Axlle10]

well... ive found that one ilm punch is useful in pvp, but thats about it XD