Buff Some Aspects of The Game to Teach Class Mechanics

[Sotek]

Isn't teaching players mechanics what Guildhest is for?

Just adapt them to work similar to Hamlet Defense in 1.0 as far as the reward goes; You have a list of various actions which provide bonus EXP/Gil after completing the Guildhest, based on level.

Things like; "Players marked mobs", "Players avoided AoE", "Lancer/Pugilist took advantage of directional bonuses on their abilities", "Healer used Esuna/Leeches", etc. etc..

[SooChe]

Isn't teaching players mechanics what Guildhest is for?

Just adapt them to work similar to Hamlet Defense in 1.0 as far as the reward goes; You have a list of various actions which provide bonus EXP/Gil after completing the Guildhest, based on level.

Things like; "Players marked mobs", "Players avoided AoE", "Lancer/Pugilist took advantage of directional bonuses on their abilities", "Healer used Esuna/Leeches", etc. etc..

The problem with guildheist is, a fairly seasoned player will overcome the mistakes of others. "Stand in an AOE? ok.. I will heal you." "not tanking some mobs and healer gets aggro? healer tanks some mobs." Am just concerned about maximising potentials. Most of the whm quests is about DPSing anyway.

But I liked the suggestion of making it optional. at least people can do what they want.

Just trying to create a WIN - WIN situation, and decrease the chances of failed duty and the amount of frustrated people for getting kicked, since the game is evolving and older players sometimes would not want to help. Myself, I am just started with the ex modes anyway.

[SooChe]

Who are you to say how we play lol. Just because we don't play to your expectations doesn't mean you get to say oh make the game harder LOL. But seriously if you don't like how someone is playing use Party Finder set your rules and requirements. Problem Solved.

Actually, I have met many nice players in the game. All of those are people who will accept anyone one in their party, including myself. Would stick to the last second of any run. Played enough MMOs to care for any progression on my own game. Afterall, real life is more important, and its playing with many different people that makes my day. These people including myself, usually would like to learn more from others, but time doesn't allot that, hence my suggestion.

[TeganLaron]

whm who dont use benediction.

In all fairness, if everyone is doing their job (healers healing, others dodging) you shouldn't actually need Benediction. It's more of an "oops I forgot to heal" emergency skill.

However something I see under utilised when I switch to Tank/DPS is Divine Seal. I'll rarely see a WHM use this despite how incredibly useful it is.

[Crimson-Falcon]

more instanced battles solve it with little complex mechanics

as outside world fights doesnt require any skill

[Sotek]

The problem with guildheist is, a fairly seasoned player will overcome the mistakes of others. "Stand in an AOE? ok.. I will heal you." "not tanking some mobs and healer gets aggro? healer tanks some mobs." Am just concerned about maximising potentials. Most of the whm quests is about DPSing anyway.

But I liked the suggestion of making it optional. at least people can do what they want.

Experienced players will always overcome the mistakes of others, to a degree. If they make it as transparent as possible even fairly inexperienced players should be able to know what to do, perhaps having it as part of the Duty List as optional objectives based on your current class. For a Lv15 Guildhest something like Pugilist could have;
-Use Bootshine from behind the target.
-Use True Strike from behind the target.
-Use Snap Punch from your targets flank.
-Use Touch of Death.

Hopefully that would lead to people thinking "Why does it want me to do this?" and I'll never see Lancers not keeping Heavy Thrust up again. The additional rewards for fulfilling such objectives would hopefully make Guildhests less pathetic, too. Thinking about it, they could just make the rewards personal; tank isn't tanking? No problem, you still fulfilled the additional objectives for your class so you still get the reward.

[Chiramu]

There are more people in the MMO community than just the ones in here that cannot play their classes. A lot of the problem comes from the WoW community where it doesn't matter if you don't do your role because there are so many other people in party. A lot of the bad play I see makes me think of the bad play from WoW, so I assume the two are related.

It's not the game at fault, FFXIV does a lot to teach people their roles. The problem lies with people who think they know how to play, they turn off the Help notices because they've played an MMO before, they think that they don't need to be taught how to play this new game. They go through the game thinking it is WoW.

Just my opinion on the matter. There's nothing the developers can do about this behaviour because it is the people not the teachers, if people refuse to listen they will not listen.

[Lemuria]

I'd argue that the people who don't know how to properly play their class are the ones who probably did nothing but Fates to level to 50. So, unless you're suggesting we nerf the levelling system to ensure that can't happen I don't think there will ever be a proper solution to this problem. The people who suck at using their skills to the fullest are the ones who never needed to use them in the first place, and with existing dungeon content, that's rarely the issue.

[Felis]

And in case a player finds to much frustration not being able to clear a class quest instance, hopefully a guide is available somewhere.

The player get the echo buff if he can't clear a quest.

I'd argue that the people who don't know how to properly play their class are the ones who probably did nothing but Fates to level to 50. So, unless you're suggesting we nerf the levelling system to ensure that can't happen I don't think there will ever be a proper solution to this problem. The people who suck at using their skills to the fullest are the ones who never needed to use them in the first place, and with existing dungeon content, that's rarely the issue.

SE don't need to slow down the level speed.
They can do it like with the 2.15 storyline and put in a requirement for an endlevel dungeon, where you need to finish the last guildhest to unlock the endgame dungeon.

[stuscott]

A lot of the class and job quests I feel are what teach you how to use your abilities. The one that immediately springs to mind is the THM quest with all the adds that silence you. I tried twice before I remembered that Scathe was instacast and then beat it with no problem. Those quests challenge you to use the abilities you gained since the last one.