Did Duty Roulette low level EXP get Ninja nerfed?????????????

[Marishi-Ten]

So easy fix Tomorrow or the days after that if I get a high level dungeon I'll leave.

Awesome attitude. It's a good way to nullify the entire reason Roulette was created in the first place. Don't worry, I sense a patch that will burn your Roulette for the day if a player just ups and leaves.

The only thing which sucks about the Bonus EXP being lower is you lose EXP in the long run.

You miss the point of Roulette. It's not for you to get insane amounts of exp. It's to help out the newer players that actually need the clears.

This. This right here is the exact reason as to why we can't have nice things.

[Arkista]

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Well like I said earlier I've been doing them daily since 2.1 hit. I think I missed a week of doing them cause I didn't care, But I can say that I've had very few runs with anyone that was actually new. You get a Bonus when you clear a dungeon with new people, So I love it when new people are there. So to me yes the DR is for an insane amount of EXP. Its not like I'm going to leave over and over just to get a low level dungeon, that sure is a waste of time. I don't think SE is going to patch it because people leave. If they want to patch it they can increase the EXP Bonus in high level dungeons.

Cause I can't see them adding in some crap, Saying if you leave a Duty Roulette you don't get the Bonus.

[L-D-Omlette]

I fail to understand the reasoning for leaving if you get a higher level dungeon. Assuming it works as Zfz says (which makes sense from what I have seen):

Lets pretend you are level 36, with 0 xp. You need 249,900 xp to get to level 37. Lets assume for the moment that the ~45% number is correct. This means that doing the roulette will net you 112455 xp.

If you get Copperbell, and mob kills grants you 20k xp then the bonus would be 92,455. If you get Brayflox and mob kills grants you 45k then the bonus would be 67,455. Yes the bonus is smaller but the net gain is the same. If you only got 20k in mob kills in Brayflox (by skipping mobs for example) then the bonus would jump back up to 92,455. The point is, you get the same xp no matter what dungeon you run.

[Marishi-Ten]

I don't know if it's your phrasing or what but when I see:

You get a Bonus when you clear a dungeon with new people, So I love it when new people are there.

This screams selfishness to me. You wouldn't do roulette or help out in low level dungeons at all because there isn't anything in it for you, correct?

Roulette is there to give players an incentive to run older content for people that have yet to clear it. There is literally no other logical reason to have it besides that.

I don't think SE is going to patch it because people leave.

Except when a new player needs a dungeon, you get paired, see the zone, "lulz not low enough dungeon, MAH XPZZZ, bai", and quit. This undermines the entire concept of the low level roulette system and makes it a redundant feature that hurts other players.

Now, you might not be one of these people and I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your statements, but I can tell you that there are people out there that are malicious and will take advantage of the system for their own personal gain.

[cotti]

No.

Today, I dinged 50 WHM during a Tam-Tara on Roulette, and I received about 200k exp. I received less than that in earlier levels.

Only your interrogation points did get a (terrible) buff, OP.

[Dhex]

Rested EXP, food effect, and manuals effect this as well (+50%, +50% up to 20,000EXP and +3%) then you have the Roulette bonus on top of that...

Maybe you ran out of Rested EXP.

[Ferth]

Pretty sure each dungeon is weighted by the dungeon itself. Not a percentage of your level but a static amount based on your level and the dungeon in question.

I did tam-Tara at level 16 but only about 2k from 17. I hit 17 after the first pull. I hit 18 after the second demon. And I hit 19 upon completion. I don't remember the exact numbers in question, but I clearly got more than 45% throughout.

As for arkista's reasoning about abandoning higher level dungeons. Your logic is flawed. Because there are more resources to consider than just the lump sum at the end. The number of mobs in a given dungeon, the time spent in the queue, the amount of time you intend to spend in dungeons in a given day all factor in.

One thing I would particularly point out is cutters cry has a good deal more mobs than vigil does. You get a fair amount in the dungeon itself.

[Arkista]

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This is my reasoning...

Ok so I just did a test I will give numbers if someone wants to double check. On another Account.

I did level 24 job with 19,037 out of 87,100. That would mean 45% of 87,100 is 39195 Bonus EXP correct? I got 46,249exp from mobs (we skipped a lot) took me to 65,286 out of 87,100. I got a DR Bonus of 47,041 + 5,716 from the last boss.

So those are my numbers.... if the Bonus is suppose to be 45% I got more than 45%, I got around 54%. So I don't think it matters about how much EXP you get from the Mobs as much as it matters about what your level is compared to the dungeon level.

Someone said that its 45% of your current level. What I just got was 54%, Then someone said...

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So going by the run I just did then it cannot be right. I'm not saying they are both wrong, I am going by the run I just did. So to me it seems like the EXP Bonus is based on Some Percent of your Current level and has nothing to do with the amount of EXP earned from mobs. But the amount of EXP earned is also based on the level difference between you and the dungeon. Meaning the bigger the level difference the more the Bonus, And the closer the level difference the lower the Bonus is. Based on w/e percent of your current level. We all know the higher you get the more you get.

So if Mob EXP in the Dungeon has ZERO to do with the Daily Bonus, Then it is more effective to run a lower level dungeon than to run a higher level dungeon "just for the Daily Roulette". Yes you get loads more EXP, But you can run any Dungeon at any time. And yes you would have to be crazy as hell to wait, leave, wait..... Just because I said I would leave doesn't mean I would try over and over just to get sastasha or any other low level dungeon. I would leave one, I can keep myself busy for 30mins doing dailies/map.

So yes you are correct it is flawed. But if it works it works. I'll check my numbers again tomorrow and see what I get.

[Zfz]

There's always the possibility that the mechanism itself was changed and they never bothered to update the JP version of the description, making the EN version the right mechanism.

It would be nice to get a mod response on this.

[waldo]

Maybe your rested exp wore off? That would explain the 50% reduction in exp.