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    Sibyll's Avatar
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    Sibyll Belmont
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    Mateus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Calyanare View Post
    I don't understand why we even still have leveling at all in MMOs if they're going to make it so easy up until less-skilled players slam into a wall at max level content. Why don't newly-created characters have all their skills already and start the "real game" at the beginning, and (heaven forfend) have lots more "real" content with a gentler difficulty slope?....
    It's intended for your to learn your class as you level, which I realize is difficult when people FATE grind to 50. I still think this system is better than just starting classes at max level and getting 20 skills you've never used before. One of the advantages to this system is if you want to tank end game you have to level as a tank class from 1-50. If you want to heal you have to level as a healer from 1-50. You gradually get new skills and for the most part some of the quests attempt to teach you to learn your class by explaining the new skills you get, at least in the early levels.

    The game makes a very good effort to teach basic mechanics through guild hests, quests and dialog, but that requires reading. Some people just can't be bothered to learn to play or improve and the game shouldn't be balanced around them. Perhaps the solution would be to make getting to 50 difficult enough that you can't get through earlier content without learning to play your class properly because I still see level 50 tanks that don't know how to save their CDs for predictable spike damage, like Mountain Buster, and healers that don't use Esuna, like on Titan.

    FATEs like Go, go Gorgimera and The Eyes Have It are examples where people should be learning to avoid AoEs, heal a tank, follow emotes, and burn adds, yet the majority of the time you'll see DPS eating dirt because they stood in red, healers tanking adds while the DPS burn the boss, and a Bard kiting the boss around because the healers were DPSing instead of healing the tank. As such, these FATEs usually get skipped for tank n spanks like Roc of Ages.
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    Last edited by Sibyll; 02-16-2014 at 04:26 AM.

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    Fynlar Eira
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    ...people think copperbell HM is too difficult?
    Yes. I've had more runs of that on the DR fail than I have with Pharos.
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    Odett Telos
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    The problem with nerfing content that is only difficult with people that don't know what to do is that it encourages mediocrity and not playing your job/class to its fullest extent. Maybe SE could slightly increase the tome reward for Pharos, but I really hope it's not nerfed. Also, don't pick Pharos if you want to faceroll a dungeon.
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Also, don't pick Pharos if you want to faceroll a dungeon.
    You think people are ending up in Pharos because they want to do it?

    Sure, you could say "don't do the quest to unlock Pharos if you don't want to possibly get it in the roulette" but you kinda have to do that first in order to really see what the dungeon is like, by which point it's too late.
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    Odett Telos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    You think people are ending up in Pharos because they want to do it?

    Sure, you could say "don't do the quest to unlock Pharos if you don't want to possibly get it in the roulette" but you kinda have to do that first in order to really see what the dungeon is like, by which point it's too late.
    Sorry, that was a mistake of mine because sometimes I pick Pharos for fun. "Too late" for what exactly, to realize that it's a dungeon where people actually have to play their class right and not slack-jaw through bosses while actually having to communicate before the fights? Wow, that's really not fun at all, who'd want to do that?
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    You think people are ending up in Pharos because they want to do it?

    Sure, you could say "don't do the quest to unlock Pharos if you don't want to possibly get it in the roulette" but you kinda have to do that first in order to really see what the dungeon is like, by which point it's too late.
    Not sure if they were sirius (see what I did there?) but I've had several people in several LSs say that they've got HM dungeons or PS in high level DR even without unlocking them on alts.
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    Too late meaning, once you've done the quest you have access for good, meaning you can always potentially get it as a roulette option.

    to realize that it's a dungeon where people actually have to play their class right and not slack-jaw through bosses while actually having to communicate before the fights? Wow, that's really not fun at all, who'd want to do that?
    Unfortunately, that expectation is sometimes too much for DF groups.
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    This dungeon is not even difficult.
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    Mooshkin Dreikoenige
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    Cant you just undergear yourself and then queue up for duty roulette, then change into your higher level gear afterwards? Or does it not work like that (I dunno I have never queued for high level roulette lol)
    I guess that would cancel out chances for a primal fight though if it does work like that.
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    Kinnison Cooke
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    Malboro
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    I do think that Pharos Sirius is a bit of a challenge due to its non-conformity to other dungeons of its kind. I think it's fun and actually somewhat easy to beat, but only so long as my teammates aren't intent on speed-running it.
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