How hard is Ultima HM compared to other endgame content?

[Aureliami]

If you do it in ilevel 65-70 average gear then the fight is a decent challenge but nothing too tough.

But if you did it with mostly 70-90 gear the fight is no challenge at all, it is almost completely trivial.

You can't compare it to other endgame because Ultima HM is designed to be doable with terrible gear, so having decent gear makes it extremely easy. Since it's a lot harder to overgear coil and extreme modes unless all your gear is 80+ with mostly 90, they are still challenging with decent gear.

[mmcsky]

Thanks for your input guys, I have a view now of what to do.

Also does anyone have an opinion of allagan vs AF2 gear.

Are they interchangeable according to boss, or does one become better than the other at some point?

[Ghasto]

Titan EX > Ifrit EX..

Yeah, as long as you're not a healer, but who cares about those guys right?

[Ed_N_Ants]

As long as you can get to the content you should be able to do the content... If you do it and fail then you know you need to gear up a little more... You sound way over geared but then again it all goes with your play style and how good you are at dodging...

[Tercino]

Titan EX > Ifrit EX.. other than that im liking this list

Good luck clearing Ifrit EX before Titan EX

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

I'd say it's as hard as Titan HM, it's very close to Garuda EM difficulty and easier than Twintania, T4, Titan EM and Ifrit EM.

What this guy said.

[Fadigre]

Of all the fights in the game, Ultima HM is my favorite.

It's got so many differences in kind. Each phase has something different going on. It's really interesting, fun and satisfying to play!
I just wish there were more reasons to do it.

Remember that players progressed into Coil with iLv. 70 equpiment. I've been all the way to Turn 5 in Darklight as a tank as I wasn't sure what job to specialise into.

Just try your best!

[HReincarnate]

Personally, I think Ultima HM is as easy as Garuda HM. It's easy to get the hang of and you'd probably only need to be a bit over i70 to do it.

[Rivienne]

In my opinion Ultima is about the same difficulty as Titan HM in terms of dodging mechanics, but given a decent WHM/SCH it is far more recoverable, so in that sense, it is actually much easier as a group, even if not as an individual.

Titan you lose someone to landslide, they are out for good. Further due to the timing of stomps, you are very limited in ability to raise those who go down to WOTL, and you have to rely on having a SMN/SCH do it.

I have had to raise more than 3 times as WHM over the course of an Ultima, and use LB3, and still finished in time, without running out of MP when it mattered. On titan, more than 2 raises and it is all over because I will run out of MP and not recover enough in time.

If you find Ultima easy enough, you should be fine on GEX though.

[kukurumei]

Ultima is below titan HM imo because it's easier to learn. It's les forgiving as nothing will one shot you.

In terms of difficulty curve it's about titan HM level, as Titan you have no enrage time while ultima has an enrage timer, so you can't have too many people down for ultima ever as a trade off to titan one shots.

But I have seen people who fail at titan learn ultima, so while difficulty is about the same, ultima ultimately is easier to learn and beat. Why, because ultima has a scripted (down time) phase. Allowing people to top off, and prepare for each phase, allowing them to smoothly make mistakes and see the entire fight.