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    Chronos's Avatar
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    Chronos Black
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    You still say AF2 body over direwolf? SCH just doesn't need the piety...
    True you dont need Piety as much...but its more useful than morale in pve. I feel that losing 37 total Piety is just too much. 10 crit (about .4pct chance) isnt worth it. Remember that aetherflow is based off of your total mana pool.

    That being said...the direwolf chest is an extremely viable piece.
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    Last edited by Chronos; 02-07-2014 at 04:01 PM.

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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronos View Post
    True you dont need Piety as much...but its more useful than morale in pve. I feel that losing 37 total Piety is just too much. 10 crit (about .4pct chance) isnt worth it. Remember that aetherflow is based off of your total mana pool.

    That being said...the direwolf chest is an extremely viable piece.
    37? You lose 26. Which idk if it's always linear but came out to 190 MP for me. If you're going to go for R30's and don't already have AF2 body, you should probably save the myth points.
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    Extreme Leaf
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    Diabolos
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Ugh, I really have no interest in doing PvP, but I guess it's something I would eventually do...

    Question for anyone here but mostly TC, for some slots you have allagan AND AF2. My question is what's the difference, or is the difference so minimal it doesn't matter?
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady672 View Post
    Ugh, I really have no interest in doing PvP, but I guess it's something I would eventually do...

    Question for anyone here but mostly TC, for some slots you have allagan AND AF2. My question is what's the difference, or is the difference so minimal it doesn't matter?
    Non-PvP Crit BiS
    Allagan: Hands, Ring (subjective)
    Primal: Nothing (Vortex Ring over Allagan Ring is subjective)
    Myth: Everything else*
    *Myth and Allagan are identical for head and legs, and feet are close enough to not really matter. Assume this applies for below unless otherwise stated

    PvP Crit BiS
    Allagan: Hands, Ring
    Primal: Nothing
    PvP R30: Body, Feet, Ring
    Myth: Everything else

    Det BiS
    Allagan: Hands, Ring, Body, Neck, Ear
    Primal: Inferno Bangle, Vortex Ring
    Myth: Everything else

    And Allagan grimoire of healing from turn 5 goes without saying.
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    Pike Incredibro
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    just throwing it out there: this build, with HQ deviled eggs, puts you above a 21% crit rate. i think it's definitely viable.
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    Horaiyo Shirou
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Out of curiosity, what's your average adlo value non-crit?
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    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Leo Strut
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    It ranges from between 750 to 780 (again, no buffs, food, etc).
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    My gear is Allagan book/ring, Royal gloves (Allagan doesn't exist...), and Myth everything else. MND is 483. Did enough casts to get a decent range, this is what I get.

    Adlo: 746-784, 1112-1160 crit
    Physick: 996-1049, 1500-1561 crit

    Probably a bit wider for max-min as I only did enough that the range of values looked good enough.

    One could argue that "relying" on a crit is bad form, but there aren't many situations where I feel I want more consistant heals (Det) over the (fairly decent) chance of crit Adlo, or even crit damage if I'm going all out. The fact of the matter is that a Det build is only 4-5 pieces different from the non-PvP crit BiS (Allagan body/ear/neck, Inferno Bangle, Vortex Ring if you weren't already using it). Not gonna produce a really large difference imo.
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    Last edited by SeraviEdalborez; 02-07-2014 at 10:16 AM.

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    It's really just body/feet/ring you'd even consider over alternatives. Not the end of the world either way. I happen to like PVP and if it's a way to save on some myth as well, that's just a bonus.
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    Daenerys Sedai
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    it's a way to save on some myth as well, that's just a bonus.
    My first thought was: They're just going to raise the ilvl so why grind PvP for pieces that may no longer be BiS?
    My second thought was: But wait, PvP will probably also raise and you'll save whatever the myth equivalent of iLvl whatever using the wolf marks.

    How long did it take you to grind up to R30?
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