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    Quote Originally Posted by PriyaJugulataris View Post
    I don't know while you all are getting so upset about this, I mean the principle point have been stated time and time again.
    We are playing a Warlock
    People want to use multiple summons or at least be given an incentive to do more than just keep all DoTs up and Fester/Ruin/Rouse/Spur etc.
    There's nothing wrong with theorycrafting and posting on boards.
    I didn't notice anyone getting upset, it is just tiring. To hear the same thing, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

    We all get it. These are not your 'typical' FF summons. The storyline explains why. Other people in this thread have explained why. Other people in countless other threads have explained why.

    Yes, we're playing a warlock.

    People want to do all sorts of things, but the reality of the situation, is that _this_ is what a Summoner is in FFXIV. If they want to do other things, they can play other classes. Some of us enjoy the class as it was designed, the majority of people even. Yet, the vocal minority always has something to say about how small pets are, or why does Ifrit have to be so lousy?

    It's a DPS class. The role of the job is to deal damage. It is very good at that. If people want to do other things than deal damage, well, we have healers and we have tanks. If they want to deal damage and do more than "just keep all DoTs up and Fester/Ruin/Rouse/Spur etc.", we have Black Mage, Monk, Dragoon and Bard. They are entitled to play any of those other classes.

    There was nothing wrong with theorycraft about pet potential. Then it was done about 400 more times. The obvious reality however is that this paradigm is not changing. People need to accept Summoner for what it is, or simply play another class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    *post*
    Vocal minorities are entitled to their voice and can make their posts, and you have the individual agency to not go on these posts if you find them that repetitive and tiring. Hell, when you guys theorycraft with numbers, I honestly just try and stay the hell away from the posts after I see the BiS list because of the constant back and forth of personal opinion (ex. Alucard) vs facts and number. Melee DPS still complaining about fights still make posts all the time, I typically try to stay away from those since it's the same thing over and over again.
    Personally, I enjoy the class, though I do want a tad bit more complexity. People can enjoy things and express their problems with said things.
    Yes, the present reality is that Summoner is the way it is and will be for some time. But all of us who've played MMO's have seen classes been changed (sometimes extremely dramatically) so who know what will happen in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriyaJugulataris View Post
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    The main difference of course, is that posts like this serve very little, to no purpose. Discussing theorycraft, damage numbers, BiS, has some functional benefit, because in the end, people come away armed with the knowledge of what is good, and what is not. Posts like these inevitably get a handful of replies, then are never seen again, and do nothing to benefit anyone except the OP (who feels like they need to rant) and the small handful of people that happen to agree.

    Complaining that the sky is not green instead of blue, is not going to get it to change. Just like writing up a 2 page long ordeal about how it would be cool if ifrit would be useful, isn't going to get SE to make it so. I suppose I see my posts as a means to try to help discourage the community from continually posting the same useless drivel that ends up nowhere and accomplishing nothing and benefiting nobody. It's probably just a personality disorder of mine though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    *post*
    Your post is cutting up in my reply so I might have to edit this, but of course complaining about isn't going to do anything. The game developers are going to make their own decisions. The threads exist as an expression of thought which inherently typically doesn't benefit anyone. People will read it, agree/disagree and move on with their lives while this thread will die somewhere in the depths of the internet popping up occasionally in tagged searches. But then again so will all threads in time. Also, I've found in near worthless to attempt to change the community of any online MMO because it's an exercise in futility.
    Yes, while the BiS inherently provides more usage but since your post with the listings on January 13th, the 2.1 Summoner BiS thread has not changed in terms of what is BiS and it still continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriyaJugulataris View Post
    Your post is cutting up in my reply so I might have to edit this, but of course complaining about isn't going to do anything. The game developers are going to make their own decisions. The threads exist as an expression of thought which inherently typically doesn't benefit anyone. People will read it, agree/disagree and move on with their lives while this thread will die somewhere in the depths of the internet popping up occasionally in tagged searches. But then again so will all threads in time. Also, I've found in near worthless to attempt to change the community of any online MMO because it's an exercise in futility.
    I agree with your analysis of the situation. I suppose I just wished people would search the forum, see 47 other posts about changing the Egis, and decide that enough is enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by PriyaJugulataris View Post
    Yes, while the BiS inherently provides more usage but since your post with the listings on January 13th, the 2.1 Summoner BiS thread has not changed in terms of what is BiS and it still continues.
    True, but some people need more of an explanation, and don't want to take anything at face value. And other people just want to argue for the sake of argument, or feel the need to get illogical arguments out of their head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    Right, like how WAR's posting that they need a buff didn't get SE to change how WAR worked even after they said it's fine.
    Fair counter, if not for the fact that it was hundreds of people, not 14, and was creating a fundamental schism in the balance dynamics between WAR and PLD that were not intended by SE (who admitted as much), yet were the reality anyhow.

    SMN pets on the other hand, _completely_ different scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    Fair counter, if not for the fact that it was hundreds of people, not 14, and was creating a fundamental schism in the balance dynamics between WAR and PLD that were not intended by SE (who admitted as much), yet were the reality anyhow.

    SMN pets on the other hand, _completely_ different scenario.
    The WAR complaint had to start somewhere, 1000 people didn't all come on at once and complain. And there is a fundamental schism in the dynamics of Ifrit and Garuda that, I hope, isn't intended by SE. So not quite so different.
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