New Role, Support Classes

[File2ish]

I'd love to see support roles, or even just hybrid jobs would make me happy (*cough cough* give us Red Mage and Dancer). I'm sure XIV will stick to the whole MMO trinity, can't really do anything about it. But having party support abilities would be great, or even just self buffs that feel significant.

I'd love to see support roles, or even just DPS/Heals/Tanks with more support skills (*cough cough* give us Red Mage and Dancer). I'm sure XIV will stick to the whole MMO trinity, can't really do anything about it. But having party support abilities would be great, or even just self buffs that feel significant.

For example, RDM in FFXI gained en-spells, a self buff that applied an element to the weapon and added damage (say an attack does 40dmg, it would turn into 40+8, sort of like an extra hit per auto attack). These could work like XIV Paladin's sword oath, adding X amount of potency to auto attacks (or all attacks, but drains MP). RDM could also get debuffs: blind, paralyze, gravity, etc. on their weapon skills or something (say if it were a GLD job, savage blade enmity boost gets replaced by paralyze or something, immunity over time of course).

Dancer could be a sort of spot healer with Drain Samba. Have dances work like songs so they drain MP for the effect. Debuffs like quickstep and box step to lower evasion and whatnot, etc.
What I'd like to see:
GLD - Dark Knight, Red Mage, Onion Knight (), or another sword job to serve as DPS
LNC - Something to tank - or Dragon Knight, wyvern pet job like in XI
PGL - Black Belt? Ninja? (Ninjas used claws >.>). Puppetmaster (pet job, they used h2h in XI).
ARC - Ranger as pure DPS - Beastmaster (pet job)
CNJ - Geomancer (CNJ uses earth, wind, and water already, it would fit as another healer. More heavy on party buffs I would say OR as DPS, cures turn into "terrain" for damage or something).
THM - Time Mage I guess. No Haste for the party (Yoshi-P said he didn't want it for us I think), but abilities that effect the enemy. Slow, stop, etc. - Saboteur (debuffs I guess idk, throwing stuff out there.)


Knife class - Dancer
Knife class - Thief
Katana class - Samurai
Fencer - Red Mage - Rune Fencer (Tank)
Gunner - Corsair
Machinist - Puppetmaster

[Fated]

Support roles generally don't work because most people find them boring. Working support type abilities into the existing trinity is a much better idea than creating a pure support role. BRDs sing when there is a need for it, the problem is only the highest content actually mandates it in the first place.

[Tupsi]

Support roles generally don't work because most people find them boring. Working support type abilities into the existing trinity is a much better idea than creating a pure support role. BRDs sing when there is a need for it, the problem is only the highest content actually mandates it in the first place.

Most people find Tanking and Healing boring or uninterested in it which is why SE is doing everything to try to get people to play them, tank specifically, so that logic doesn't work.

The whole issue with these kind of MMOs is throwing in buff/debuff/support stuff into every ability on every class. SE is creative, they can do amazing things if they get off this "safe" path.

[Meowneko]

I know this question isn't really related but is it possible to be both support and support dps if I would to go SCH + BRD?

I'm not going to lie but the idea of having a buff class that increases all stats at a certain level would be a great addition but I don't know if it feels.. like part of the FF lore or whatever. But I could be wrong. I'm not exactly sure if people really want to just stand there and buff people.

[Lurkios]

I know this question isn't really related but is it possible to be both support and support dps if I would to go SCH + BRD?

I'm not going to lie but the idea of having a buff class that increases all stats at a certain level would be a great addition but I don't know if it feels.. like part of the FF lore or whatever. But I could be wrong. I'm not exactly sure if people really want to just stand there and buff people.

That's exactly what I tried to do. SCH is a fantastic support and pretty great heals as well, especially when paired with a WHM. BRD, however, is a one trick pony. The only useful "support" we have is Mage's Ballad, and in some very specific situations Foe Requiem. On top of that, our DPS is pretty bad as well. We do have mobility, which is nice, but doesn't really offset the drawbacks except in a few specific fights (Titan/HM/EX, T1). The Ballad is nearly required for a few fights at least, so we still have a place for now.

[Orophin]

I think it will come eventually. They just have to figure out how to make it work with their current battle system and ensure that it is capable of soloing for story purposes.

[Nicodareus]

Hate to spoil it but the original holy trinity was not tank, DPS, heal. It was Tank, Heal, Support in EQ as the other 2 spots of DPS were dime a dozen. And an enchanter (minor DPS with party buffs and enemy debuffs and cc) was highly used. Having been a 75 chanter (way back when) I can say it has its potential.

Time Mage might be the closest thing to old Enchanter. Haste, slow and other effects.

[NyneAlexander]

Hate to spoil it but the original holy trinity was not tank, DPS, heal. It was Tank, Heal, Support in EQ as the other 2 spots of DPS were dime a dozen. And an enchanter (minor DPS with party buffs and enemy debuffs and cc) was highly used. Having been a 75 chanter (way back when) I can say it has its potential.

Time Mage might be the closest thing to old Enchanter. Haste, slow and other effects.

If there are 4 types of classes in a party, its no longer a "trinity" by any stretch. MMO trinity is tank, healer, dps. Just because DPS were a dime a dozen doesn't make them any lesser part of a system... and definitely not enough to coin the remaining jobs a "trinity" because they were more necessary or desired than the others. EQ and others (ffxi) just didn't fall completely into the system of the holy trinity.

This game however, does 100%. The only way to completely circumvent that would be to rework the entire combat system from the ground up. So maybe we'll see something like that in "Final Fantasy: A reborn realm reborn again" or something.

[Moheeheeko]

I'm beggining to think I'm the only WHM in the DF that knows what ensuna does. Does that count as being a support class?

[Delmontyb]

I'd love to see a time mage as a class, but even with support you can always lump them into a DPS role, where by buffing or debuffing others they add to the overall DPS.

Time and space magic would be a fun introduction to this game (if handled correctly) and for those who said Haste would not be introduced, well it is already in the game, we just don't have access to the spell, so here's hoping.