Warrior Tanks: Maximizing DPS Output

[SeraviEdalborez]

I do a ton of EX Primals. My FC sells EX Primal carries (7-man) for gil. I help out my less-experienced friends with their weekly clears. I join PF groups to help out friends. These are all sub-optimal conditions, as opposed to 8 fully geared and experienced veterans. I want to completely minimize wipes with customers. I want to give myself the best possible chance of carrying weaker parties.

I've had situations where the other tank accidentally died in EX Titan and I had to tank 4-5 stacks of Mountain Buster. I'm not sure if I'd be able to do that in i90 STR gear and 30 STR attributes. I've had situations where too much DPS died and we won by the skin of our teeth, and there was no room to compromise my damage output.

If you're going to cite non-ideal circumstances, then this is kind of a dead-end. If you don't trust your DPS to live, your co-tank to live, or your healers to heal then you should be using your idiot-proof full VIT set instead of trying to hybridize OR go all-out. Otherwise it's a weighed risk. Win security vs damage output is apples vs pizzas.

For the underlined: This shouldn't be an issue. I'm going to throw out an old argument: if your group needs higher tank damage to clear, someone is failing at their job whether that be the DPS at their rotations or everyone at living. For a faster clear? Sure, absolutely.

As an aside, if those wipe conditions are happening when selling primals that's pretty silly on the part of your party.

For the record I'm the SCH in Cage's static. For most fights except Ifrit EX and Turn 5 I'm right there with him going all-out on Cleric damage. Still have no troubles keeping him and the rest of our party up. Very ideal conditions, I'll admit.

[bokchoykn]

If you're going to cite non-ideal circumstances, then this is kind of a dead-end. If you don't trust your DPS to live, your co-tank to live, or your healers to heal then you should be using your idiot-proof full VIT set instead of trying to hybridize OR go all-out. Otherwise it's a weighed risk. Win security vs damage output is apples vs pizzas.

I agree that Win security vs damage output is apples vs pizzas. That's where the discussion with BushidoMP has led, and we're arguing different things.

However, I COMPLETELY disagree on two of your points.

- I don't think citing non-ideal circumstances is pointless. If anything, ideal circumstances are LESS important in this discussion than non-ideal circumstances. If you have a 100% chance to succeed, what does it matter that you're killing Titan in 7:28 or 7:41? If you have a 20% chance to succeed, but your gear choice can improve it to 25%. That's where the real value is. You're killing Titan in 4 attempts instead of 5.

- As for the full VIT set being the one that is most idiot-proof, that's the main point of contention here. I believe it varies and depends on the encounter and your role.

For the underlined: This shouldn't be an issue. I'm going to throw out an old argument: if your group needs higher tank damage to clear, someone is failing at their job whether that be the DPS at their rotations or everyone at living. For a faster clear? Sure, absolutely.

As an aside, if those wipe conditions are happening when selling primals that's pretty silly on the part of your party.

I definitely agree with you that if the group needs higher tank damage to clear, somewhat is failing at their job. Even if you're carrying a buyer in a 7-man EX Titan. However, mistakes happen. DPS might d/c or die. Our win rate as a 7-man party is very high, but we've also had to recover from many seemingly lost situations.

Moreover, I play with bad players too. The skill level of the friends and randoms I play with range from A+ to F. If I solely stuck to playing with an A+ lineup, my opinion might change.