New Idea for future "Jobs"

[SkyHighDN]

Ok so I was thinking about this last night.... And while we are all tied up on the existing model in which a Class branches into Jobs at level 30 with an alternate leveled to 15....

And since we all know that ACN was built ground up to branch into SCH and SMN at lvl 30... every other Class will eventually split the same way into the existing job and an alternate job to make way for 2 roles out of each Class....

I want to propose something different....

EACH JOB SPLITS INTO 2 NEW "JOBS" (lets call them SECTS)

At lvl 50 or 55, your Job's story line will go in the lines of finding "another" master like the one you already have been working with that is of a different mindset.... and would teach you a new way of doing things

ARCHER- lvl 30 BARD- lvl 55 RANGER or SUPER BARD

in this way.... the lvl 55 Bard would get more songs like minuet, foe lullaby, etc, etc
the RNG- would have all existing bard mechanics, but transition into a real DPS RNG with new LB

LNC- lvl 30 DRG- lvl 55 Templar or Super DRG

the lvl 55 DRG would continue on the path of the dragon, maybe being able to call in a wyvern for maximum dps
the TMP would become tank like, and would gain enmity generating abilities.... hence a LNC tank only upon reaching max current level

PUG- lvl 30 MNK- lvl 55 Dancer or Super MNK

ok at 55, you could be introduced to the female monk.... that has her own way of doing things in a support/healer role while being a melee as well.


If you follow my logic here.... and the Super tag can basically be changed into a new title which i leave open for your own interpretation....

My logic being.... In order to unlock the LNC tank option.... you will need to have a tank leveled as such to say 45 to unlock..... that way you arent thrown into a new alt role with out any mechanics learned....

A Ranger would need a SMN leveled to 45.... hence a ranged DPS to become a true DPSer.....

A MNK would need 45 leveled as a WHM to unlock.... opening up the buff abilities

This would make unlocking the "new" jobs/sect harder to achieve if you havent leveled all classes.... and not everyone becomes a dancer the day after the launch.... it also proves that you need to have experience in the complementary role up through the 40s before you can use it as well.... and more importantly... it creates a new model to branch jobs off...... where the Ranger can split again at level 65/70 into something else in 4 or 5 years to a engineer or something

[Gandora]

They just need to add more base classes, problem fixed.

[Minimefuzzy]

I'm okay with the classes ath the moment. I think that they should add more jobs like maybe Red Mage? That would be cool ^_^

[SkyHighDN]

wow..... 2 replies, and neither even have any relevance to my original topic.... sooo

Before this turns into a "Why the Job system sucks/doesnt suck" thread....

I will restate my original topic...

The next "phase" of the Job system will take a CLASS (ARCH, ACN, GLD, MRD, THM, CNJ) to lvl 30 to unlock JOBS with the accompaniment of an alt leveled to 15.....
Now... the next phase will unlock a SECT (or whatever other term it can be called) at level 50/55 as a branch off from a JOB.... sooo stay on the path of a BARD, or branch over to a RANGER. The abilities would be linked still, and new skills will be introduced off of the Job in your new role. The SECT would require a level 40/45 alt to unlock

now... feedback ON TOPIC PLEASE

[Mardel]

I'm okay with the classes ath the moment. I think that they should add more jobs like maybe Red Mage? That would be cool ^_^

Sadly, I don't want Red Mage to be implemented unless it becomes a spell blade of sorts. Otherwise it will likely be a heavily broken job :/'


As for the OP:

Not sure if going and making a class "super" or an advanced version of the existing class is needed. Essentially what would be happening would be just the same as getting a new class/job by the time proper changes were made to make it not-broken.

I mean I get where you are going but it's just the same thing... based off of job and not class.

[Gandora]

wow..... 2 replies, and neither even have any relevance to my original topic.... sooo

PUG- lvl 30 MNK- lvl 55 Dancer or Super MNK

Hope this reply is relevant enough.

[SkyHighDN]

I was just trying to think of a way in which the Dark Knight which we all know will get implemented eventually (can't wait BTW).... doesn't become the immediate highest population character played 3 hours after the patch that it arrives with..

Imagine it now.... They split the DRK character as a DPS-er off of Gladiator..... great!!! now EVERY SINGLE TANK will be switching their main job over to DRK, because it only requires a 15 THM to unlock it..... meaning the population of tanks literally shrank by half in about 2 hours.

My thoughts were basically to throw the unlock way higher..... like requiring a lvl 40 alt to unlock..... and again, there are a lot of lvl 50 across the board players.... but how many casuals, and end game tunnel vision players that play a tank role have actually leveled a BLM through the 40's.... not as many as you would think, and that being said, there wouldnt be this mad rush on everyone switching to the DRK.

[Twizffxi]

I was just trying to think of a way in which the Dark Knight which we all know will get implemented eventually (can't wait BTW).... doesn't become the immediate highest population character played 3 hours after the patch that it arrives with..

Imagine it now.... They split the DRK character as a DPS-er off of Gladiator..... great!!! now EVERY SINGLE TANK will be switching their main job over to DRK, because it only requires a 15 THM to unlock it..... meaning the population of tanks literally shrank by half in about 2 hours.

My thoughts were basically to throw the unlock way higher..... like requiring a lvl 40 alt to unlock..... and again, there are a lot of lvl 50 across the board players.... but how many casuals, and end game tunnel vision players that play a tank role have actually leveled a BLM through the 40's.... not as many as you would think, and that being said, there wouldnt be this mad rush on everyone switching to the DRK.

Considering the Skill Set that Gladiator offers it will be safe to assume that if/when Dark Knight is added and branches from Gladiator that DRK will indeed be a Tank Class. only skills that Paladin get are Sword/Shield Oaths, Cover, Spirits Within, Hallowed Ground.

Add in DRK skills such as Reaping, Souleater, and Drain. DRK will be a HP leech Tank.

PLD- Strong Mitigation
WAR- HP Pool and Strong HP Regen/Weak Leech
DRK- Medium Mitigation/Medium~Strong Leech


As for the OP topic. Secondary Branching from the Advanced Jobs sound nice.

WAR > Berserker(dps) & Defender(tank)
MNK > Brawler(tank) & Shaolin (dps)
BRD > Minstral(Support DPS) & Ranger (DPS loss of Songs)
WHM> Holy (Healer with Shields) & Divine (Healer with Spikes)
BLM > Blood (poisons/leech/drains) & Chaos (more Enfeebles)
SMN > Necromancer(yep...) & Umbral ( Fenrir!!!!!!)
SCH > Pupetmaster(yep...) & Astral( Advanced Carbuncle that combines Both Fairies into one.
DRG > Dragon Slayer(Stronger DPS and removal of Postion requirements) & Beast Master (Wyvern Pet + More Jumps)

[Ehayte]

GLD > DRK - Unless you set it so that you need like 2 or 3 OTHER classes/jobs @ 50 to get DRK, whether its 2 hours or 2 days, whoever is going to change is going to change.

OP - Yoshi has mentioned "Advanced Jobs," in which he said something like WHM50/BLM50 = RDM. I would imagine, if that is the way they go, those jobs would be the "support" jobs they have been hinting at, it would end up like this-ish:

50WHM/50BLM = RDM - support/dps (buff dps allies)
50THF/50MNK = NIN - DPS/Offtank, burst tanking abilities through evasion and short duration debuffs
50DRG/50SCH = BLU - DPS/support, adding max HP/MP/TP buffs with monster abilities, puesdo healer and some high risk dmging abilities all from melee range
50WAR/50BLM = DRK - DPS/Utility, high focus on DPS with utilities like aggro re-direction, blind, slow, poison, high magic/phys def.

[Exstal]

OP - Yoshi has mentioned "Advanced Jobs," in which he said something like WHM50/BLM50 = RDM. I would imagine, if that is the way they go, those jobs would be the "support" jobs they have been hinting at, it would end up like this-ish:

Do you have a link to this?

Didn't Yoshida also say Ninja will never be able to tank?