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  1. #61
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    Luca Abbot
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    "In the hands of a skilled practitioner, thaumaturgy can be a force of terrifying destruction. At the heart of this school of magic lies the ability to call forth and command the latent aether within oneself through deep introspection.
    To then mold that aether into sorcery, the thaumaturge makes use of a scepter or staff, within which is housed a medium—a natural stone imbued with magical properties. The guild is centered at the Arrzaneth Ossuary in Ul’dah, within whose hallowed halls are said to reside powers of life, death, and the beyond."
    White Mages were never a "force of terrifying destruction" but, like someone said above, while the Arrzaneth Ossuary is a place of worship to the god of the dead, the second temple is a place to worship the living. White Mages' are healers so they are associated with both the dead and the living.
    "Conjury calls upon elemental forces present in nature and concentrates them to a potency at which spells can be weaved. Through practiced meditation on the essences of creation, conjurers draw forth and absorb aether from their immediate surroundings. A wand or cane made from unworked wood is then utilized to focus the aether until it manifests as the desired spell. The seat of the Conjurers’ Guild lies at the Stillglade Fane in Gridania, where the voices of Eorzea’s elementals are said to be most powerful."
    Again, Black Mages never created anything but, they do call for the elements in nature. Remember, war is imminent and the people of Eorzea may need to resort to different measures.

    I also hope that there will eventually be a SMN class. I have two ways that this could be implemented. . .
    1. Once you have both BLM and WHM at a high enough rank you could unlock a quest which would unlock SMN.
    2. Or, something like this could happen: CON --> BLM --> something, THM --> WHM --> SMN.
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  2. #62
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    Wait but they already gave conj curaga 1 and 2 and thm only got sacrifice after 1.18 so now it's con wht and them blm.
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  3. #63
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    Klynwilf Spellrifter
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    I feel it would be foolish for SE to make CON the white mage.

    First: The lore and structure of THM guild fits them taking on the white mage role. The THM worship the twin gods of life and death. White mage easily fits in to the lore and SE is huge on lore.

    Second: Why give more healing to a class that already has the better heals? Why not give it another class, THM, and make two classes able to heal a group? The jobs are said to open up new abilities, spells for us, to the classes.

    Third: Making a THM into black mage is too huge a stretch no matter how you look at it. You would have to recreate the class and lore. SE is changing things, but I fail to see them going that far.

    Just my line of thinking.
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    Last edited by Klive; 08-30-2011 at 12:49 AM. Reason: spelling/grammer
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  4. #64
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    Yoohree Reborn
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  5. #65
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    Thal Icebound
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Wait but they already gave conj curaga 1 and 2 and thm only got sacrifice after 1.18 so now it's con wht and them blm.
    A massive, massive assumption that many people have made.

    In fact, it makes equally as much sense that with Con having Curaga, they would instead give the healer's job to Thm for the sake of access and balance.

    And so I look to the lore and where the anticipated jobs would fit in society. Thus, I'm calling White Mage for Thaumaturge in the Milvaneth Sacrarium.
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    I posted this on the THM forum, so I'll repost a part of it here.


    I hate using a FF11 reference since this is different game, but you look at these two abilities of a FF11 white mage.

    Devotion: Sacrifices HP to grant another party member MP.

    Martyr: Sacrifices HP to heal another party member double that amount.

    Using HP to heal and give MP? The THM does nothing like that, right?

    Next, lets look at the FF11 White Mage offensive spells.

    Dia
    Paralyze
    Banish
    Slow
    Silence
    Banishga
    Diaga
    Banish II
    Dia II
    Banishga II
    Flash
    Repose
    Holy
    Banish III

    Do any of these spells look familiar for THM?

    Point is; The THM is the offensive/solo base class and White Mage is the healing/support job, thus opening up NEW role for a class like I think a job should. The lore fits, abilities fits, and the purpose of the job fits. If it looks like a duck, and walks like a ducks, and quacks like a duck...
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klive View Post
    If it looks like a duck, and walks like a ducks, and quacks like a duck...
    Then it's not a swan in disguise!
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    Hmmm... THM and CON seem to both be a weird mix of other jobs... I really see CON getting WHM because it's the healer class, but THM with BLM seems a little iffy to me because CON has the elemental spells... meh! I'll just have to wait and see.
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    maybe when BLM comes out, it will let you select the abilities from both con and thm, however there will be a large bonus applied to all elemental spells (since BLM is elemental damage). this is the only way I can see them resolving the issue. i dont think they will simply transform CON -> BLM
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  10. #70
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    I dont understand every other class has to unlock a different class like archer is gonna be Bard ...why conjurer to unlock whm ...i m whm i have cure curaga raise haste and many spells what its gonna make my game play deference to be whm and not stay as conjurer

    why to unlock BLM as thaum i can have every spell with lvl up conj and thaum together ... do i miss something ?

    i dont think that the old jobs are they gonna unlock something new but that its gonna be replace the conj and the thaum for the party role ...
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    Last edited by Narmito; 10-05-2011 at 04:39 PM.

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