[Poll] What Job should Conjurer unlock?

[Klive]

I feel it would be foolish for SE to make CON the white mage.

First: The lore and structure of THM guild fits them taking on the white mage role. The THM worship the twin gods of life and death. White mage easily fits in to the lore and SE is huge on lore.

Second: Why give more healing to a class that already has the better heals? Why not give it another class, THM, and make two classes able to heal a group? The jobs are said to open up new abilities, spells for us, to the classes.

Third: Making a THM into black mage is too huge a stretch no matter how you look at it. You would have to recreate the class and lore. SE is changing things, but I fail to see them going that far.

Just my line of thinking.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

CANOEMASTER

[Klive]

I posted this on the THM forum, so I'll repost a part of it here.


I hate using a FF11 reference since this is different game, but you look at these two abilities of a FF11 white mage.

Devotion: Sacrifices HP to grant another party member MP.

Martyr: Sacrifices HP to heal another party member double that amount.

Using HP to heal and give MP? The THM does nothing like that, right?

Next, lets look at the FF11 White Mage offensive spells.

Dia
Paralyze
Banish
Slow
Silence
Banishga
Diaga
Banish II
Dia II
Banishga II
Flash
Repose
Holy
Banish III

Do any of these spells look familiar for THM?

Point is; The THM is the offensive/solo base class and White Mage is the healing/support job, thus opening up NEW role for a class like I think a job should. The lore fits, abilities fits, and the purpose of the job fits. If it looks like a duck, and walks like a ducks, and quacks like a duck...

[Catapult]

If it looks like a duck, and walks like a ducks, and quacks like a duck...

Then it's not a swan in disguise!

[Danavia]

Hmmm... THM and CON seem to both be a weird mix of other jobs... I really see CON getting WHM because it's the healer class, but THM with BLM seems a little iffy to me because CON has the elemental spells... meh! I'll just have to wait and see.

[Fullmetal]

maybe when BLM comes out, it will let you select the abilities from both con and thm, however there will be a large bonus applied to all elemental spells (since BLM is elemental damage). this is the only way I can see them resolving the issue. i dont think they will simply transform CON -> BLM

[Catapult]

This much is known:

Conjurer will remain Conjurer in its own right. It will have access to a highly diverse range of spells and abilities suitable for solo play.

What Conjurer unlocks at level 30 then operates independently of Conjurer. The devs have it on record that we should not think of it's job as an upgraded conjurer, but rather a method of play in it's own right that will develop independently of its base class, with an emphasis on its role in party-play.

Being the elementalist that it is, it remains highly plausible that Conjurer could be the gateway to Black Mage without diverting from its healing capabilities as a conjurer. To invoke rituals that provoke the elementals' anger and rage.

Even though this is not the only possibility...

[grumpy]

further more thaumaturgy "art mathematical" called "thaumaturgy... which giveth certain order to make strange works, of the sense to be perceived and of men greatly to be wondered at."

In Dee's time, "the Mathematicks" referred not merely to the abstract computations associated with the term today, but to physical mechanical devices which employed mathematical principles in their design. These devices, operated by means of compressed air, springs, strings, pulleys or levers, were seen by unsophisticated people (who did not understand their working principles) as magical devices which could only have been made with the aid of demons and devils.[2]
sounds like puppet master for this one dont ya think

[Coglin]

This is where I think your are unclear in your teminology point grumpy. Your looking at it as a breakdown of the words themselvs. Thats just localization. In Japanese they are tittled totaly different. From what I understand the tittles in there language are all but litterally axe man, lance man, sword man and so on, thm/con staff man and rod man or what not I assume.

The terms we have were chosen cause the sounded cool by a language and culture localization team or indavidual.

[lordvr]

This is where I think your are unclear in your teminology point grumpy. Your looking at it as a breakdown of the words themselvs. Thats just localization. In Japanese they are tittled totaly different. From what I understand the tittles in there language are all but litterally axe man, lance man, sword man and so on, thm/con staff man and rod man or what not I assume.

The terms we have were chosen cause the sounded cool by a language and culture localization team or indavidual.

Actually, all classes are named according to the following pattern ○術士 x-jutsushi. Where x is the name of the skill like axe, sword, bow, etc. Jutsu means arts/ skills/ techniques/ and shi is a suffix akin to the suffix "ist" in English.

But in the case of conjury and thaumaturgy, there is an exception. The kanji 幻 gen and 呪 ju in the names means "Illusion" and "Curse/spell." But both 幻術 呪術 genjutsu and jujutsu can just be general terms for magic / witchcraft / sorcerery in the language. Magic, as in tricks a magician does on stage could be 幻術 genjutsu for example. kotobank.jp lists majutsu and mahou as synonyms for jujutsu.