Suggestion: Warrior improvements

[ReiszRie]

its been parsed. the damage difference is so miniscule its sickening.

untrue.

WAR throws out more DPS than PLD even with Defiance, and yeah it has been parsed since I have both WAR and PLD at i89 and 90 respectively

There is nothing wrong with WARs, the only problem is the player's own abilities.

[PArcher]

Fracture: 360 total potency
Phlebotomize: 330 total potency

i shouldn't need to point out the obvious, that a dragoons 330 potency will deal 2-3 times that of the warriors 360 potency. Also phlebotomize is on a much shorter duration, which makes it possible to use on trash.


not even going to argue bard DOTs. they deal less damage on paper but critical way more often, and proc bloodletter, making them into utility.

You do know you just confirmed what I said, that Fracture is not the most costly TP DoT...

[Gamemako]

See above. Taking off defiance, which fuels every single warrior ability, thus making us effectively NOT a warrior, should not be the answer.

The answer to what? WAR is a tank, not a DPS. If you want a DPS, play a DPS.

Fracture: 360 total potency
Phlebotomize: 330 total potency

Uhh... no. Fracture is 300 total potency (100 up front a 10 ticks of 20 thereafter). Fracture is so bad that I almost never use it on WAR. Costs too damn much TP. Would rather maintain buffs.

i shouldn't need to point out the obvious, that a dragoons 330 potency will deal 2-3 times that of the warriors 360 potency.

Actually more like 15-35% more depending on WAR equipment choice. WAR also gets bigger damage buff (20% vs. 15%).

//EDIT:

All the parser numbers I've seen show WAR with a clear advantage with similar ilvls. Maybe it's a playstyle issue?

While not tanking, they're basically identical. Sword Oath brings PLD in line with MRD DPS. While tanking, it will depend on your rotation. For max DPS, a WAR will do a BB/SE rotation. Compared to RoH-spam PLD, that comes in around 20% ahead. In reality, you're using BB/SP rotation for that debuff, which puts WAR and PLD pretty close over time (WAR will have a 10% lead or so while just attacking, but FoF is straight-up better than Berserk).

[WiseWolfHolo]

There is nothing wrong with warrior, our dps output especially in beserk is broken. Have you ever even though bloodbath is pretty bad now, but is not meant to self heal a crap ton, but waited til you have 5 wrath by build up, hit unchained, beserk, bloodbath and used convalescence as a cooldown in big pulls and seen the broken aoe numbers that can come up even with fending accessories, add crafted for the more crit and str and yes broken. Yes beserk needs that pacification as a trade off to the boost, but also as a 5 second rest to regen the tp you just madly went through, but if you have a healer and can coordinate like our static does and calls when pacify will pop up you can insta esuna/leeches it. Even during pacified state you still have options, flash although if u used beserk you should not need to worry about hate or if you can stun a mob, guess what 1 less mob hitting you is a form of a mitigation.Also if you have yet to notice you say paladins are close in terms of dps, how, when we have maim which is a permanent fight or flight with no cooldown, that does not even count beserk, now if you are talking about you losing hate because you think a paladin OT is doing too much damage, no they just have a 1,2,3 enmity debuff combo which is all they really can do. Warrior is just fine, only change should b is that holmgang cant drop you below 20% hp, because it is broken and can much like hallowed by used to build up massive limit break.

[Abigs]

turning defiance off isnt simply the solution to all this since you lose 25% of your HP where paladins dont lose anything.. turning on defiance does not heal you for 25% of this HP.. therefore its much riskier swapping tanks with the warrior toggling defiance on and off

also, you lose all your wrath stacks by turning defiance off.. sometimes you need a buffer for aggro (steel cyclone) or buffer for damage (inner beast) when swapping so yea defiance switching isnt always the best answer

[ReiszRie]

turning defiance off isnt simply the solution to all this since you lose 25% of your HP where paladins dont lose anything.. turning on defiance does not heal you for 25% of this HP.. therefore its much riskier swapping tanks with the warrior toggling defiance on and off

also, you lose all your wrath stacks by turning defiance off.. sometimes you need a buffer for aggro (steel cyclone) or buffer for damage (inner beast) when swapping so yea defiance switching isnt always the best answer

Turning off Shield Oath loses 20% damage reduction

Maim > Storm's Eye > Unchained > Berserk > Inner Release

[LordSideKicks]

the issue with war is that when oting or dps mode you don't gain wraith meaning to be useful at your job you gotta pop infuriate just to have access to your abilities. it puts them petty far behind when paladin who has access to all its skills all the time.

I loled so hard I almost cry.

[DeadRiser]

I remember back in the day when SE said that in 2.0, Warrior's can tank or dd.