I want to end game SCH and SMN but I cant!

[Zfz]

If I remember correctly, at current top-gear status, 15 INT will only be about 3~4% of your damage output. Suppose you do a whooping 300dps all the time, that's about less than 15dps difference. I'm not sure it's so game breaking to perform slightly lower.

With that said, I do think the SMN/SCH sharing physical bonus stat is just a programming flaw that got classified as a feature, like many things in software.

[Shadex]

It is a difference between a 'class' and a 'job'. Classes are very generic and open. They allow you the most freedom to cross-class skills as at this point in your development you have yet to truly dedicate yourself to a single role. Once you select your 'job' the dedication required will cause you to be forced to leave some specialization behind, even in your attributes. When you move from class to job you have to choose where you are going to focus your mental and physical training (attributes). Should you choose to put all your effort into one then another will not develop as well. It is just that simple. Games... are full of choices. This is just one of them.

[Muzzy]

Stat sharing makes me not want to play SMN, I dont understand, if they wanted me to chose, why can i switch and be both?

if 30 stat is no big deal, feel free to do content w/o a i90 chest piece.

we dont need food, we dont need pots, we dont need BiS gear to do this easy content. but I want to min / max. it is real important since I want to 1 heal all content, and we carry t5. its an issue that needs to be solved, specially for jobs being added.

[ispano]

Stat sharing makes me not want to play SMN, I dont understand, if they wanted me to chose, why can i switch and be both?

if 30 stat is no big deal, feel free to do content w/o a i90 chest piece.

we dont need food, we dont need pots, we dont need BiS gear to do this easy content. but I want to min / max. it is real important since I want to 1 heal all content, and we carry t5. its an issue that needs to be solved, specially for jobs being added.

No, you see it as an "issue" that needs to be solved. When something is considered yo be intended, it's not broken. Some people, like you, think that it's broken because it's not the way you want it. I and others are fine with it. You and others are not. It's designed this way. It's not broken, you and those who think like you, just don't like it.

[Alistaire]

I just levelled an alt. Roulette makes levelling first job even more ridiculously easy than it was, and I made about 300k in quest rewards. And I get seperate CT loot, coil, myth quotas etc. SMN is also the easiest job to get crossclasses for. BLM to 15 to unlock, only 11 more levels for all abilities, and then BRD level 4. Take BRD to 34 later for quelling strikes which is hardly a necessity on SMN anyway.

Especially considering all jobs may have this dilemma later, having at least one alt is really the way to go now.

[Parodine]

Giving SMN cleric stance wouldn't actually help dmg.

If I have 300 INT and 150 MND on a regular SMN and 270 INT and 180 MND on a SCH oriented ability point SMN (obviously very different in game, but go with it) then cleric stance would switch those values and the SMN would become 180 INT and 270 MND...even with slight boost in attack dmg from cleric stance, cleric stance would overall substantially decrease a SMN's output.

There is no solution to problem other than separating the ability points (unfortunately...unlikely), dealing with a 30pt gimp...or putting 15 in each and sort of rolling with it. It sucks for min-maxers...but a 15 deficit is easier to deal with if you want to play both equally.

[Arkista]

ohhh.

I thought CS swapped Attribute Stat points... Tells you how much I play those classes ^^.

[Havenchild]

Giving SMN cleric stance wouldn't actually help dmg.

If I have 300 INT and 150 MND on a regular SMN and 270 INT and 180 MND on a SCH oriented ability point SMN (obviously very different in game, but go with it) then cleric stance would switch those values and the SMN would become 180 INT and 270 MND...even with slight boost in attack dmg from cleric stance, cleric stance would overall substantially decrease a SMN's output.

There is no solution to problem other than separating the ability points (unfortunately...unlikely), dealing with a 30pt gimp...or putting 15 in each and sort of rolling with it. It sucks for min-maxers...but a 15 deficit is easier to deal with if you want to play both equally.

uh what?
Giving cleric stance would help. In your own example, if you just poored all the points into mind, then used cleric stance on the summoner, wouldnt you have higher int then your example AND have the damage boost from cleric stance?

You'd have the points where you want them on each class.

[Muzy]

uh what?
Giving cleric stance would help. In your own example, if you just poored all the points into mind, then used cleric stance on the summoner, wouldnt you have higher int then your example AND have the damage boost from cleric stance?

You'd have the points where you want them on each class.

Uhh, cleric stance swaps those values, so with both stat examples he set, the amount of mind you have becomes int and the amount of int you have becomes mind. In other words, those are some pretty drastic stat drops, even considering that cleric stance adds 10% damage while reducing healing by 20% in addition to the stat swaps.

[Havenchild]

Uhh, cleric stance swaps those values, so with both stat examples he set, the amount of mind you have becomes int and the amount of int you have becomes mind. In other words, those are some pretty drastic stat drops, even considering that cleric stance adds 10% damage while reducing healing by 20% in addition to the stat swaps.

I was actually just re-editing my statement when I realized exactly that lol.